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A couple weeks ago our district had a student commit suicide reportedly due to bullying. Yesterday HS kids were passing out flyers they made in which they named students and instances of them bullying, along with the names of teachers that they “say” did nothing about it. They are planning a walk out tomorrow afternoon. So curious to see how admin handles this. What’s your take on this?

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Interesting thread and discussion. I can see a few different angels here. Another point to bring up: if these kids knew about the bullying and can name the instances - then why didn’t they do anything either? This would make them just as at fault as a faculty member who did nothing, also. I love the idea of students protesting and sticking up for others. But why not do it sooner rather than as a reaction? I think they are hurting and wanting to lay blame rather than looking within at what could have been done much earlier.

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There is something called the Bystander Effect- or Bystander Apathy. The bystander effect, or bystander apathy is a theory that states that kids/ppl are less likely to help the victim when there are other people around. When alone, kids and adults in general are more willing to help the victim out.

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I have to respond with this one…people do what you allow them to do to you. Age makes no difference, as we can see that many people of all genders are now, not bullied, but abused. The law cannot offer protection until after, thus people are hurt, same as in school. I, personally understand the need to pull, the proverbial curtain back to reveal, but not before it has been documented. In addition, I offer this conjecture, fear is what allows the bully to thrive, students who are afraid to protect themselves physically, emotionally, and mentally are easy pickings for those individuals who relish the control and tortoise another. The lessons taught now on how to handle a bully work in most cases, yet at a point, the bullying may become physical, now what? Offer students a effective self-defense course, in which they develop the confidence needed to stand up fo themselves. For those teachers and administrators who turn a blind eye, report them to the local child social service agency for neglect. One reason why teachers and administrators do nothing may be because of FEAR, fear of losing their position, but at some point, when do you stop living with fear, and live with courage? No one else is going to do something for you that you can do for yourself, be strong…peace

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It sounds like the students feel like they're not being heard. Take time to listen to what they have to say if they come to you to talk about it. Even if you can't do much individually about it, showing empathy helps a lot.

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Great response. Many times there’s not a lot that you can do but listening can go a long way with a kid that’s struggling, if they feel they’re being heard it can be extremely helpful.

If the teachers had been told by the student about what was happening, then I do put much of the blame on them! We have a mandated duty to protect these kids from harm! Bullying is harming!!!!! My take is that admin should support the walkout with them so the kids know they are being supportive. We have a code kids can scan hanging in all the hallways at my school so they can turn it in and have the problem dealt with. I’m ok with others seeing the names of the students who did the bullying handed out— but teachers names should not be on there as no one knows what teachers did behind his back to help him. I do believe there should be an investigation over it with all teachers who had him in class, however, with their proof of how they handled it. We have to report and document and that should be the case everywhere.

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Document everything you hear or see, put it in an email to admin. If it’s written down, maybe admin will act on it?

This is what happens when schools are not allowed to discipline any more. I think admin thinks teachers are complaining about bad behavior because we are lazy or something, but teachers and school staff are not the only victims. When a school is out of control, the good kids suffer, too.

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Wishing we had metal detectors at every school. It’s sad that this is what our kids have to be put through to keep everyone as safe as possible. Not a guarantee by any means but one more layer of mitigation.

I am sharing this with the other administrators so we can do the same at our elementary school. Teachers that do nothing, not even inform administrators, are a problem at my school.

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THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE AT THE BOARD AND ADMIN LEVEL. It also needs to be taught (with a focus) in all teacher training. When teachers have the skills to CONNECT with the students, the behavior needs can at least start to be met in the classroom. In my 19 years I never saw improvement by sending a super needy or system misfit to the “office.” And if the student is truly a system misfit, then admin needs to get that student into a school that provides an appropriate learning environment. http://bit.ly/Restorative-Practices

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It seems as though these students are now bullying, especially other students. That could go bad very quickly. Additionally, it’s not just what are admin doing about it, but what can everyone do as a community to support these students so they feel heard?

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My thought as well. And the person above made a good point that it may seem like the teacher didn’t do anything when it very well could have been reported and nothing was done about it. I worry about retaliation against the kids named and with the school shooting that just happened…..scary.

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CHS3 They may want discipline problems handled in the classroom. Referrals are entered into the district database and suspensions become part of the school’s public dashboard. The admin may view it as a failing of the teacher’s classroom management and not want it to reflect on their own leadership. But not everything should be handled in the classroom. At some point the admin has to set the standards for School-wide behavior and follow through.

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What can't be handled in the classroom. I haven't sent a kid to the office in 25 years.

So sorry for this student to feel as if the only way out was suicide. I was bullied in junior high and though I hated going to school at that time, I never considered suicide. We all have to do a better job listening and protecting those who are being pushed beyond their limits.

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So much happens online too, out of our control.

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No matter what the situation, a child committing suicide is absolutely tragic. I agree with others in saying that the kids who are naming the bullies and situations are doing exactly want they want corrected. This approach is not productive. While teachers address bullying in the classroom, we also know that bullying happens when teachers are not present ,and most recently, online. These situations need to be handled by administration, yet often times admin is to weak, busy, or are afraid of parents to handle these situations correctly. I see this tragic problem solved only by parents, their children, involved guidance counselors, and firm administration not accepting any kind of bullying. This uncomfortable discussion must be had before things change.

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I believe this to be a good thing. Students have to stand for something if not they will fall for anything. Students are tired of the bullying.

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I see your point NY. Maybe students have witnessed teachers observing such behaviors and not doing anything. This type of behavior takes place in the classroom as well as out. The students are probably looking for a teacher to stand up for them and at least attempt to stop the behavior when it’s happening. When my son was in HS, he would tell me about certain teachers who would turn a blind eye to students teasing & saying derogatory things to peers. I had a conference with one, who was young & inexperienced; and acted as if the students were her friends.

I straddle the fence on this one. On one hand, I think the students who are publishing the names of the 'bullies' are engaging in a form of bullying. On the other hand, I see TOO many teachers turn a blind eye or even engage in bully behavior toward certain students themselves. One, to the point where *I* filed a formal complaint with admin giving extensive detail yet nothing changed. Honestly, I think public attention needs to be drawn to the students AND teachers - it is the last resort. Meanwhile, in your own classrooms, provide an environment where students feel safe.

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The truth is not simple. Bullying is USUALLY a two way street. Having been a participant in many bullying investigations I can attest to the fact that it goes BOTH WAYS more often than not...AND the reporter is often the more aggressive or instigator of the problem (about half the time by my reckoning)...so not simple at all. Claiming you were bullied doesn't make it true...having said that every case MUST be taken seriously. The bottom line though is that every individual has to ultimately be responsible for their own safety and security and emotional well being...we need to provide opportunity for every student to acquire those life skills and I'm not saying we teach martial arts...self defense takes many forms and the first and best is the ability to develop a thick skin, not be easily offended, and to just walk away and continue to enjoy your own life without getting sucked into other people's drama...if we could teach that it would be a game changer in a big way and for those instances where a bully won't allow the 'walk away' we heap some serious consequences AND required educational and counseling programs on those individuals.

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There are many adults that don’t even know what bullying is. A kid being mean to you is not bullying

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Until school districts stop being run like a business and we stop packing kids in large schools like sardines, we will continue to not deal with those students who need the most help. My son's graduating class had 600 students. Only 450 walked across the stage. What happened to the other 150? No one ever brought that up in any data that I have seen. Administrators are paid 6 figures for what? Some have never even taught in a classroom but they make the rules. If we as teachers are considered to be professionals, then when will administrators accept that we know what we are talking about when we say a child needs support early on?

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Empowered learners with “agency”. ❤️

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I’m curious. If calling cps would force admins hands when a student is a victim to bullying and Admin does nothing about it on the school end. It’s just a thought.

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Yeah, that will make things better. Police are well trained to handle those situations. (Sarcasm alert)

Walk out with them

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Good for them!

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Oh my goodness

It’s a shame the students had to take matters in their own hands. They are showing real leadership skills. Kudos for the students for standing up and wanting to be heard and send a message. Reminder if we don’t stand for something we fall for everything and anything

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