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My company is all about that bullshit yet my male partner makes more than me. I don’t care if we attend conferences. Pay👏🏻me👏🏻
I’m sick of shit not changing, that’s what I’m sick off. But if we stop talking about it and go back to business as usual it never will
OP is the voice of privilege
The thing I’m frustrated about is it’s all geared toward helping women getting into the industry. Meanwhile, there are a ton of talented experienced women at the higher levels who are getting pushed out. Total brain drain. Nothing wrong with helping young women, but one important way to do that is to make sure you don’t lose all the experienced mentors.
I've spent 18 years trying to work hard and ignore the assholes. It's about time we stop treating this with a "heads down" attitude and instead tackle it eyes wide open. Women getting left behind and I can't ignore it anymore. What I'm tired of is talking. One more brainstorm without an action plan and I might burn the whole thing down.
@AD2 We were the ones breaking the ground so other women wouldn’t have to go through what we did. We’ve dealt with crap on a daily basis throughout our careers that would have you millennials weeping in a closet. And yeah, we supported each other because there were maybe two of us in a creative department. We didn’t have anyone to complain to - the consciousness wasn’t there. If we complained, we got fired and blackballed. And we fought those odds and made it anyway. So don’t insult the ones that came before you. Tell me again about women supporting other women. Oh, that’s right. When you say that, it’s really just that everyone should be supporting you.
👆🏼saaames. I'm sick of the all talk, but no actions bs.
How about everyone in this thread (including the privileged OP) get off your ass and do ONE thing today to improve the situation. Seek out a young woman and offer your time/advice as someone more sr, don’t laugh at the sexist jokes, analyze your own thought pattern for self improvement for the day, or stick up for a woman publicly. Anything. Exert energy productively and go fucking do something.
What CL1 said. It’s fine don’t participate in the “lady” conversations, but I’m sure you’d be happy to take more $$$ in your pocket as the feminist movement going on collectively increases our paychecks.
I haven’t had a lot of great female mentors, but I’ve tried hard to mentor younger creatives, both women and men, who I thought had the potential to be amazing. Honestly, I think the best people of both sexes are getting pushed out of the industry in favor of the suck-up hacks, which is why the industry is failing. And I’m tired of young creatives who think they should be promoted to CD without taking the time and energy to develop the skills that will make them able to do the actual job. It’s a different skill set and needs to be learned. Maybe the earlier post is right - just burn the whole thing down and start over.
I think we’d all love to move on but only if there’s positive change. It’s hard to ignore an asshole who has sexually harassed you, especially if he’s someone who can make or break your career.
I'm fucking SICK of it. But I'm getting paid $25k less than a male coworker to do the same exact job. So I will not be shutting up any time soon.
I’ve spent 20 years trying to keep my gender out of my job. I’m a creative, not a female creative. I appreciate the discussion and push for equal pay, but it has been all talk. I will continue to work harder for less and then go home a take care of my kid while being on call all hours of the night. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll happily take the $$$. Just don’t see progress coming out of this. Just a lot of grand sweeping statements.
In my experience, AD2 is spot on. The most senior woman in our company is not a "break the ground for those who come after" kind of woman, she's so much more one of the old boys, she's proud of it, and too fucking bad for anyone who isn't. She will tell you that to your face. She's been more horrible to me and so many others that no one outside of her clique thinks of her as an ally. Did well with a notoriously difficult client? Must be something going on between you, har har har. (Said in a group meeting in a joking/not joking way.) Ask for guidance or help with a very senior exec whose demeanor with women is unbelievably dismissive and condescending? "he's never been that way with me, he's a peach of a guy, it must just be a personality clash. Figure out how to deal." Then poof! You're off the project. Not saying they're all like that by any stretch, but man, I'd love to have some actual supportive female leadership at my agency.
@CD1 - I thought most of the senior women in this industry had made it there by playing along with the Boy’s Club, and therefore deserve to be pushed out to make way for the younger ones who’ll help each other?
Hi everyone. I left the TimesUp NYC event yesterday wanting to take action. The consistent theme I hear from so many of us (on this thread, board and IRL) is that we need good mentors. I would love to help everyone who want to mentor and be mentored, to participate in a mentorship program I’m trying to kickoff. I have no gain other than helping us create a true support network so we realize our career goals and potential at all levels of our careers. I’m a 17-year agency vet on the account side. I’ve never kicked off something like this and am open to any and all suggestions for how to do this right and be able to create positive experiences. Please email me at mentoramadwoman@gmail.com to learn more. I look forward to hearing from you.
No...it’s necessary in a business where women have been marginalized in spite of their amazing dedication and work.
I never played along with the boys club. I’ve been in this industry for years. I think the best thing is to start your own shop. Easier said than done. But I will be the first woman to say there have been MANY women that have tried to take me down too. Usually women are meaner to each other. It’s enemies on both sides folks.
Yeah, most of all tired of women bashing women and not knowing each other’s stories. I can’t imagine the hell that senior women have gone through - in agencies or freelancing. Most assume it was roses apparently. I doubt it was that. At least TUA did something public as opposed to anonymous ranting. (Yup ironic we’re doing the same on Fishbowl.) can we get off each other’s backs for a moment. Can’t imagine men shredding the shit out of each other in a similar fashion
AD2s remark didn’t come off as sarcasm to me, and the “take it as you will” cop-out comment afterwards is weak sauce.
I’d love to take a moment to throw out a giant “how dare you” on behalf of the three female leaders I’ve had a chance to work with who don’t fit this little devil-wears-prada archetype AD is touting. There are real women (who do currently support women while getting dragged) are trying to find their own way to success AND haven taken time out of their day to guide and teach along the way. They are out there. And deserve our support, as CD1 said.