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I think being a lawyer is still a good career path for many people (including outside of T10 or V50 - gasp!), but I also think the entire law school process is terrible, overpriced, too long, and stupidly taught. Teaching you to “think like a lawyer” might be okay for one semester, maybe, but it’s beyond ridiculous that emmanuels outlines do a better job of actually teaching the law then any case book, and I would wager anyone with medium intelligence could skip law school and pass the bar having taken only a bar bri course. Law schools know this, but they’re financially invested in keeping you there for three years and non practicing professors don’t want to admit that the case book method of teaching is dumb, or that most people would be equally successful if they just did first year classes and then took legal internships to learn how to actually practice. Oh that’s right, law schools don’t teach you how to practice, because that makes sense?? What if medical school taught you how to be a surgeon just by reading a bunch of books about anatomy, then let you graduate and operate in your first patient without ever having touched a scalpel? Everyone would agree that would be insane.

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The article said half of biglaw jobs go to graduates of like 20 schools, which I think is generally true. I think most biglaw associates are graduates of the T14, UCLA, USC, Vandy, WashU, UT, BU, BC, Notre Dame, GW, Emory and Fordham. These schools probably make up a significant majority of SAs (I’d think at least 2/3 of the spots of true biglaw firms).

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Also, there’s Howard, which places people everywhere as well.

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I think schools outside the T14 also need to take some of the blame in their messaging to potential students. I went to ND and was told repeatedly that I would have no problems getting a big/mid-size job in NYC. Graduated with honors, in the top half of my class, on a journal and it was SO hard to get a job because the network out here is so much smaller than other parts of the country and it’s not a T14 sxhool. I was totally swayed by their assurances but probably would have been better off at a worse school in NY.

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Can confirm that Fordham would have cost me WAY more (ND is very generous with scholarships). Oh I fully admit that I made a mistake, and should clarify that I did find a job and have a good career lol. I raised my concerns about NYC employment when talking to students/admissions who assured me that the lower numbers in NY were simply that fewer grads wanted to go there as opposed to people not being able to get jobs there.

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I think it’s fairly accurate. Having lived in Miami, and knowing a lot of UM law grads, those kids mainly work small firm and public sector jobs and Miami is expensive to live in (not compared to CA, or NYC, but relative to other locations). Schools do sell the big law salaries and whatnot but I think there needs to be more personal accountability. Do your own research and figure out if it’s something you’re driven to succeed in. I have several friends from law school that flat out told me they went to law school because they didn’t know what else to do and wanted to delay adulthood. I think tons of people go to law school for this same reason. Of course, getting to law school isn’t enough. I don’t think the article touched on this, but if you grind and finish top 5% with the requisite resume boosters, I think big law, or even mid level firms are feasible, you just have to work hard in school to get there.

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Exactly! And not to mention the power of networking and hustling for connections. You can impress people who will hire you in other ways. Another thing not touched on was the power of the externship. I had several friends get into big law that way.

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Agree with you there! It should be a year (at most) taught like the bar exam course and a year of apprenticeship. Done.

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