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Russian here who is an American citizen now. You cannot apply American democracy criteria here. You will simply get arrested in Russia. So where as yes, they’re asking you not to exercise you right to free speech, the reality is there is no such right right in Russia and you may end up in jail. A family member got arrested in a simple peaceful rally simply for marching a month ago.

Moved here for that reason. So OP, you do you. Sometimes things are more important than staying silent but know the possible consequences, no matter how unfair they are.

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P1 this is utter bs. Let’s rationalize that killing people is also the norm, since it’s happening in some of the geos?

McK mos has multiple contracts with govt and more importantly govt-owned/affiliated banks. They’re exclusively worried about business.

Conversely- why does McK do business in a country where their core value set is impossible to exercise without violating the law?

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I’d like to take advantage of the ‘Russian’ thread and ask for advice for a friend. He is graduating from a civil aviation university trained as a pilot, but he is also considering consulting as a second career choice. How does entry-level consulting recruitment work in Russia? Is it mostly about nepotism? Does a smart person with an unrelated major stand a chance (like in the US)?

Thank you! That’s very helpful!

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OP here, after attending the protest :) Quick note, since apparently it's relevant: I'm Russian and have spent several years living in the west, as well.

I fully understand the leadership team's desire to limit any potential ramifications to the company as a result of any protest-related events. Still, I would argue that the way of going about this is wrong. I would have prefered, for example:
- Mentioning that the firm could face backlash and ask to not post on social media / etc. as per company policy
- Ask that if you do decide to attend the protest you weigh your actions accordingly in order to (1) keep yourself safe and (2) consider the reprecussions to your colleagues
- Reaffirm that the employees will still have their support in case things go bad (although that support may vary depending on how much the firm is hit), or if it's not possible - clearly state that the employee will be responsible for his/her own actions

Additionally, I'm pretty sure that the policy that's being referred to is global in nature and the company should strive to actually hold to its values everywhere: I'm pretty sure this tone wasn't used ahead of BLM protests / yellow vest movement in France. I guess I wouldn't like to work somewhere where values change depending on the situation. After all, if I'm not allowed to express my personal views (without mentioning where I work), what will be next? Will the leadership not step in in case one of their employees is being mistreated by a client just in order to make more money?

Morevover, there's a big difference between working with corrupt officials in order to try and improve the situation at a company, and as a result, in the country, and pushing the dictatorship's agenda (the e-mail is quite similar in tone to what the government sent out to its employees).

And two random points:
- One of the Russian McKinsey senior partners is the son of Russian writer and dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (The Gulag Archipelago, among other works) - he's actually commented on the social contract in Russian media before: https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2011/07/15/stat_grazhdaninom
- If this is ok in nature - where's the line? When is it ok to pressure your employees to act in a certain way (e.g. in Russia) and not in another (e.g. in the US)? Is it just the bottom line? Or is it something else?

But hey - no publicity is bad publicity, right? This has gotten traction in the Russian press, after all...

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You are a hero!! America is behind you✊✊

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I think that Russian politics can be life or death and probably good advice

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I get what you’re saying and where you’re coming from, but if people believe in a cause (like democracy or self governance) and understand the risks of facing an authoritarian government, then protests become necessary. You’re trying to create a better world for your family and kids.
Each time you don’t stand up to authoritarianism you lose more and more.
We can’t trade peace for justice.
Best of luck to all those who are fighting for a better life and do let us know what we as foreigners can do to help.

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Putting the bottom line ahead of human rights - what profound leadership.

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Nothing to add on the post - but does it bother anyone else that the message did not begin with a capital letter? I noticed this in Germany too and don’t understand the reasoning behind this. <rant over>

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Standard grammatical practice - at least in American English - to capitalize first letter in a in the line following the line break after greeting in letter/email. Source: LMGFY

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Russia may try to go through the motions of being a free country, but it truly is not.

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I wonder how many kickbacks McKinsey Russia gives out to government officials

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Interesting how companies were very vocal against Trump, but go as far as imposing censorship on their employees in other countries.

It’s the same problem all consultancy firms have in China or the ME.

Being vocal where it doesn’t hinder business and quiet where it does is very easy.

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It’s so unlike McKinsey to indirectly support oppressive regimes

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EYP1! Zing! I don’t think it is unlike any consulting firm. Let’s not conflate public image with private desires for money.

As a Russian I find this message from McKinsey offensive

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Me too, Russian in France

"Additionally, during this time, you must remain 100% utilized and billable."

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This won’t change until employees actually punish the employer for this view. I’d encourage US based McK employees to bring this up with their colleagues and trusted managers. At least voice displeasure for those who can’t.

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100%!!! Have emailed Kevin Sneader

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America is messed up in places, but damn I’m thankful to be American when I read stuff like this

(Same could be said for Western Europe, Canada, etc. of course.)

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Is this a similar reason why people were fired after attending the Trump rally? I’m talking about the naive ones who gave interviews to press outside the Capitol, not the ones who stormed the building. I’m not a Trump supporter. Just curious if anyone sees a parallel and what people think.

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BCG1 you need to take into account the regional differences. Comparing the situation in Russia to the one in the US is naive

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I sent an email to Kevin’s AMA address. I encourage others to do so as well - contact Firm leadership for further explanation.

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He gone

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This looks like it violates both, Declaration of human rights and Russian constitution

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Oh, you were reading the Russian constitution literally and not as a living document? 🤔

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McKinsey just doesn’t want their employees to undermine their engagement with Putin on best ways to suppress the Russian population.

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this is likely by their head of Moscow office who is “leading large-scale transformations for state-owned enterprises”, so yeah, basically don’t mess with my clients. inspiring leadership

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Why does the letter not start with Dear Comrades? Seems like that would go better with the content of the letter.

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For those who don't know this Sr. Partner sent out another email clarifying that his previous note wrongly reflected firm's policy - which allows everyone to hold peaceful protests in their personal capacity

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Legal depends on the jurisdiction. D3 is correct, I see no major change in the clarification given the jurisdiction of Russia.

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