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Killing your career? No. People in midlaw have careers too, it’s just not the same as a biglaw career.
However, while I completely understand just feeling done and wanting to get out, you really want to be thoughtful about what your next steps should be. After 4.5 years in biglaw you have great leverage (that may expire in a couple years). Right now, you can write your own ticket. Don’t waste those 4.5 years you’ve put in, and this time of excellent leverage, by making a hasty decision. Take a step back this weekend and really think about where you’d like to wind up (like in 5 years) and what you need you do you get there. It doesn’t need to be a super fixed goal, but maybe you decide you either (1) want to go to 80% (not restricted to just moms) and stick it out in biglaw (not necessarily your current firm) and try and make counsel or (2) go in-house.
Do you even want to work at a law firm? Is your long term dream to be a partner? In house? Quit the law and magically start a covid safe massage parlor?
What is it you hate about your job? Assholes? Too many hours? Too much unpredictability? Too much stress and pressure? Some places are definitely better than others. Consider other biglaw options too.
Midlaw is not necessarily going to solve your problems. Midlaw is often 2000+ hours, asshole partners, asshole clients, late nights, weekends... all for the pleasure of making less money and definitely less bonus, dealing with less sophisticated attorneys and clients and work, fewer resources and having significantly worse exit options. It can also be great! It’s not a monolith, and neither is biglaw or in house or government or massage parlors or anything else.
No mistake can’t be recovered from, but any new job you take you want to try and stick it out for a year or two, and then suddenly you seem to only have the exit options of a midlaw attorney. You can still leverage the biglaw experience but you have to get people to scroll down past the first line of your resume, which can be way harder than it should be, especially if you’re just applying to overworked recruiters rather than through connections.
Tl;dr: run toward something, don’t run away from something. Definitely figure out, in either case, what the something is, or you’re just going to wind up in another unhappy situation.
beautiful response
Put you first.
That's worth 4 cents at least
All that matters is your happiness. I started my own practice and moved to Miami. My dad stayed on wall st his whole life and hated it.
4.5 years in biglaw...you have nothing to prove to anyone anymore. go graduate and make your life better and happier!
TBH if you think leaving big law for mid law may be killing your career you need a reality check. Everything depends on where you go, who you work with, what practice area, but when I see people assuming you’re going to be working fewer hours, with less sophisticated clients and doing less important work, my eyes roll.
Please just make sure it’s an actual change in lifestyle. Some midsized firms work their associates harder than Biglaw.
Alternatively, if they’re bringing on a lateral, you will be bringing some much needed relief. So the state of affairs in terms of workload would be expected to improve for all parties.
I lateraled from BigLaw to MidLaw a few years ago and really couldn’t be happier with my decision.
The trade-offs:
Much better work life balance. Not the case at every firm but certainly the case here. I still bill 8 hours/day, but I know exactly what I have to work on. There’s no surprise all nighters or weekend ruining emails from the partner on a Friday/Saturday. So even if I have to work over a weekend I know about it ahead of time and can make plans. For me, this alone was worth the pay cut.
Quality of work/experience is much better. Our teams are small so I feel like I’m much more well rounded and know how the parts fit together. Maybe that’s a product or growing older but in BigLaw I felt like I became an expert at 5 discrete tasks instead of seeing the big picture. There’s also fewer associates waiting in line ahead of you. I’ve already drafted scotus briefs and taken an expert deposition. Downside is less prestigious clients but that doesn’t really matter too much to me personally.
There is definitely less pay/bonus, but I’m still north of 200k so no complaints. Also fewer resources - no in house printer, only Westlaw no lexis or Bloomberg, no army of capable paralegals and staff attorneys ready at a moments notice.
Biggest downside to me is the quality of coworkers. Everyone in biglaw was smart and detail oriented. Now, maybe half of my co-associates are. As a result, I often feel like Im punished with more work for doing a good job.
Partners complain all the time how hard it is to hire quality associates so if you’re coming in as a biglaw midlevel you definitely have negotiating power.
Ngl. I’m not in big law but I’m in this bowl so that when I dream about wanting to work in big law, I come back to is bowl and and snaps me out of it. Doesn’t seem worth it IMO.