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As an extension of OW's thread on how willing MBBers are to move to non-MBB firms, on a scale of 1-10, 1-being definitely not, detail firm and rating with explanation.

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1. My impression from friends that were/are at Big 4 or public firms is they're a complete sweatshop:

- Incentive to under-report hours (but behind the scenes, the sheer volume of hours you put up each week is well-correlated to success at the firm)
- Getting nickeled and dimed with questions on your expenses, limits on what you can spend, etc. when you're on the road away from your family busting your nut every week just like everybody else here
- Inflexible HR policies (not just the formal stated policy, but how people ACTUALLY are able to use it) regarding vacations, time off from work, etc. without the nightmare that you're going to be axed because of a utilization drop

Just look at Fishbowl in general: What's the average level of happiness in a Big 4er's posts vs. just constant bitching about how much they hate their job/firm/coworkers? 🤔
What's the average level you see from an MBBer?

Note this all sets aside a place like ATK or a different "boutique"(ish) shop, which I'd be more open to considering but would need to get to know those type of firms better 1-on-1 to make a call there. I'm just answering the generic Deloitte/PwC/EY/KPMG/Accenture question, which is what probably ~90% of Fishbowl users came here to debate 🤷🏼‍♀️💯

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My problem is mostly trying to find bench time...

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Would love some time on the beach..

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Every firm has great cases and shit cases... but the ratios between the two are significantly better at MBB. And MBB has way less nickel and diming firm-wide policies, higher pay, and invests more in training and social stuff. You find the right group and sponsorship at a Big 4, you might be able to have something similar going for you - but it's the exception, not the default.

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I personally would be hesitant to move to MBB because I'm 31, I no longer feel that strong desire to prove anything to anyone, and I really appreciate the work/life balance that EY provides (for relatively solid pay). Curious to see what MBB folks on the other side think.

Edit: I thought this was a legit thread then I saw the OW thread 🤦🏻‍♂️. Oh well, maybe someone from MBB will post a serious thought.

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1 - definitely not. If I leave Bain, would only ever be for a non-consulting role. Would never want to do consulting elsewhere (even with higher pay, even at McK or BCG, most definitely not at any non-MBB). Make way more than I can spend, love my role and have a fantastic network. Would only leave if I decide consulting as a whole isn't for me.

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Well said bcg1 ^. Just found out our office manager is taking away candy / snacks and the plants in our office because all offices at my big 4 firm need to be uniform.

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Part of me wonders if MBB folks have issues or complaints but they keep them to themselves because they want us Big4 folks to continue to envy them (or they don't want to admit that maybe MBB isn't as glamorous as the rest of us think). And us Big4's probably think the grass is SO much greener at MBB that we exaggerate our problems.

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Second BCG1. EY1- the commentary here is pretty reflective of actual conversations I have heard among colleagues at BCG and business school friends at big 4. There are some marginal complaints at BCG, but people are generally pretty happy and feel valued. We do an internal people survey every year that also reflect this (with no incentive to exaggerate/lie). When the results of that survey are negative, the firm makes actual efforts to address issues.

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2 - used to work at DTech and BCG is so much better across all aspects (work, culture, expenses, quality of people, etc.)

only reason it's not a 1 is because I may consider it if they offer alot of $$ and level bump but still it would only be short term.

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^want to add that BcG1 is spot-on for my experience working at Big4.

@EY1 I can understand that it may seem like we don't share our dirty laundry but I can confirm that, although things are not perfect and can suck sometimes, we just have a lot less dirty laundry than Big4, IMO

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I think BCG1 hit the nail on the head. Sure, there is a far greater sample size of big 4 people on here, but I don't think I've yet read a post from an MBB consultant berating their firm.

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Think of the size of our firms vs mmb there are clearly going to be more unhappy people at Deloitte we have 240,000 employees vs BCGs 12,000....idk how you guys are so obsessed with MBB.... Consulting is consulting find the place you like and be excellent

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I can see this post having an avg of 1.5 for the MBBers

Aren't most exits from MBB at the Principal level when they can't make partner?

B1- make more than you can spend?? I don't think I could ever have that problem... 🤔

I've worked at KPMG, BCG, and Deloitte.... Every firm has shitty people and good people. Find what you like best and stick with it

I think OW is top-notch and has great talent, but would agree that moving from MBB to OW is probably negative expected value for all levels except among partners.

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