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Glad to see Microsoft leading on this. I think this is the only way we will ever see equal pay for women and minorities. The government has done this for a long time, hopefully this becomes a standard practice.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenamcgregor/2022/06/09/microsoft-announces-it-will-include-pay-ranges-in-all-us-job-postings-experts-predict-it-will-be-the-first-of-many/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=Valerie&fbclid=IwAR2ycwDqo66aE4L-0-2qesLm8fIwzd9r28QUvJc57dbJ8WFemC8DUyQwBpo&sh=2efef4765c72
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This is a truly fascinating thread. It’s unbelievable to me that people work in this industry and think it’s acceptable to go offline (unreachable) at 5:30pm. For those of you thinking you are underpaid at 22 years old making 75k+, please go work in another industry. You are not underpaid.
It’s also absurd to me that people here blame their managers for lack of motivation. That’s on you. Yes, having a manager who is able to inspire is wonderful, but is hardly the norm in any industry. It’s on you to be productive and motivated if you want to be successful in life. If you can’t do that you definitely will not survive in this industry.
Maybe it’s just me and Bain...but if I had someone on my team unreachable at 5:30pm everyday they would be out the door pretty quick. There is no expectation you work when it’s not needed...but in my experience it’s needed more often than not.
This isn’t an industry question. This is a life question. How much you contribute to your job against the balance of other things in your life is a “meaning of life” debate. It’s not an argument where there’s a winning side. Other countries don’t work nearly as much as we do and they purport to have happier lives. What make a happy life? It’s all about expectation. At the end of the day the expectation of this profession is that you work when you’re needed, regardless of the hours. You can argue that changing that expectation is the name of the game and those of us not working towards that are part of the problem. I would argue that all of you trying to change the conversation is the problem. Go find a job that doesn’t require this of you. How about you go to the fire department and tell them for better work life balance you only have to answer fire calls between 9-5 and anything after that is someone else’s problem. Better work life balance for fire fighters to risk their lives less and spend more time with family. No, don’t fucking be a firefighter or any profession where you don’t like the expectations of the job
Somebody striving for a work life balance. Good for them.
Be happy for them and turn your response off too. Don't be part of the problem
Why is 5:30 unreasonable? 8:00-5:30 is a perfectly reasonable work day if people don’t spend hours goofing off in the team room, and management is respectful of associates’ time and performs reviews quickly.
Often times management simply takes out their anxiety on the team by forcing them to endlessly revise content that is perfectly fine. Recognize your own emotional state and don’t inflict it on your team.
Not all of us need to live our jobs as our lives. We have client deliverables, we make a plan to get them done in a reasonable amount of time, and we get paid for it. Please don’t inflict your anxieties on the rest of us who are just trying to compartmentalize our own anxiety into a reasonably fixed time window.
Been pushing back myself on this recently. None of this shit is so important it can’t wait until morning. People take themselves way too seriously and clients call us arrogant as a result.
What miserable lives we lead
Em1
We all hope to never work with you. Stress level up, productivity and quality down
Good people leave due to ahole behaviour
Form your own norms
EM1 see PwC2
Lol no
I leave the client site at 5 and don’t respond to emails after that. Been doing it all my career. Gotta find a balance.
What’s he/she supposed to be doing after 5:30? Is there a specific deliverable that was due the next morning that wasn’t done yet? Something else? Basically, why should the person be forced to sit in front of their computer “just in case” an email comes in if they otherwise got all their work done?
If other folks still are working diligently, then you need to manage everyone’s workload better and give that person more while helping someone else out. If you just want them sitting there to please your idea of what “working hard” means, that’s not a sufficient reason.
5:30 seems unreasonable. We are in this job and get paid for a reason. Get his ass back online and working. Suggest having a discussion on expectations and norms. If that doesn't improve suggest exiting.
I don't understand the mindset of forcing people to stick around for no defined reason. If like everyone else said, the work is getting done then what is your issue with that. If he unplugs at 530 and puts in his full day work, why should he be penalized for not meeting your arbitrary expectations. There are plenty of people who stick around past 7pm on a daily and are not contributing any value to the firm for most of the day. Also every firm claims to provide work life balance and if his balance is working hard at 8 and checking out at 530, then you should support that as a leader and stop being part of the problem of overworking new hires.
My partner explicitly told me he expects responses until 9 pm
Pretty sure this behavior would get you fired here
Not a complainable offense, though not too cool
I’ve worked with people like this and it’s a huge detriment to the team. Fact of the matter is this job requires working later than 5:30 many times. If one team member doesn’t do it, others have to work harder. In the particular case I’m thinking of the person was exited from the firm within a few months after not changing their behavior
This thread is completely jacked up and short sighted. Work is work. No one ever said I wish I worked more on their deathbed. But to carry an attitude if I get paid X to work X hours in this profession is stupid. We are not hourly employees. Get that through your heads. All you deliverable based people who think that work stops when the deliverable is done or there is a plan to get it done don’t know what leadership is. My job is make sure problems get solved no matter what time it is. That’s my job. That’s what I get paid to do. That’s why our clients pay us millions of dollars. If you want an hourly job go work at McDonald’s.
It's the new norm. The firm pays for 8 hours of work, associates give you eight hours of work. Salaries have stagnated, so they're not going to kill themselves at work. Even though we get a salary, the payroll processor breaks that down to an hourly rate. Anyway, long story short, you want more hours you pay higher salaries.