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Been hearing phrase “motherhood and apple pie” a lot at one client to negatively describe high-level or culture-focused strategy...sexist af!!! Can we agree to retire the phrase 🤢🤢🤢

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It just means things that everyone thinks are good, so could be stating the obvious. Have also heard it used to describe people who tend to only focus on positive things.

Not really understanding the usage above. What is sexist?

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We shouldn’t be happy with using motherhood as a proxy for even just “goodness,” as it is a stereotype. I think moms deserve better!

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I don’t think you understand what it actually means. It’s a positive idiom referring to basic values or principles everyone agrees on because no one would challenge the importance of motherhood and everyone likes apples pie. Eg merit-based promotions are like motherhood and apple pie.

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McK1 if acknowledging someone's experience instead of dismissing it or calling them stupid is "stirring up toxicity" I'll accept that.

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I’ve never heard this phrase..

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Well then why would OP say to retire the phrase then? She is assuming the phrase is sexist. In actuality, the other people just need to stop using it incorrectly.

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What in the white man talk is this

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I literally don’t understand this quote. Never heard of it either. What’s the problem?

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OP, but doesn’t that just mean that the problem lies within the person saying the quote and not the quote itself?

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This thread showed me the type of people in this bowl and how much they aren’t here to support women in consulting. Seems like most of you are here to tear women down or enforce and uphold the ways we are marginalized in industry. Shame on you!

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You are triggered by a phrase implying mothers are good and yet we are the ones not supporting women 💀

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I have never heard this before! I have heard "baseball and apple pie." As in, it's as American as baseball and apple pie...seems to mean the same thing as what you've said.
Even after reading through these comments, though, I'm having a hard time imagining how the person is using the phrase in a negative way.
It's a common thing to use certain words or phrases to mean one thing and others think we mean something else...and then we all just continue as if we're on the same page. Nothing wrong with asserting, "When you use that phrase, what I'm hearing is X. Is that really what you mean to say?" I do this all the time--at least a few times a year.

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Yes, same, I’ve always heard baseball & apple pie! The motherhood thing is strange. I knew a lady who used to say “I wanna shoot ‘em with a ten foot pole” and we always tried to tell her she had her idioms mixed up but she didn’t really get it or care and kept saying it. I don’t know how to interact with the these people 🙉

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Wow this was a lot to sift through. So if I understand correctly, the client is saying the strategy is more pandering to the woke crowd than actual business-focused strategy. And OP is offended this. Oh the irony!

Ummm not woke? Not sure how you got this. It was considered high-level / generic and more focused on culture. I’m offended that motherhood is being used in a way that enforces stereotypes about women. This bowl is full of total bad faith weirdos

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