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Can honestly say I am shocked at how hateful, self-righteous, elitist, and overbearing Hillary's supporters are compared to Trump's. You are why I left the D party to register as an independent.

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Oy, HRC said that she forgot when she came from to preface her comments during a speech to a bunch of bankers. It was meant to be a humbling comment that acknowledged how far she has come. I reacted the way that I did because it really seems like you latched on to the soundbite of them taking the quote out of context. HRC comes from a solidly upper-middle class background so it is not like she has some salt of the earth story to begin with. Do you think that Joe Biden has forgotten what it was like in Scranton? Do you think that Obama has forgotten what it was like to grow up with a single mom? Some people forget where they came "from," and others do not and I'm sure they all have their reasons to one way or another. My point is that I have met enough of the people in her campaign who had some challenging personal backgrounds and I doubt that they will. For the record, I never mention my degrees, but in the context of referencing my GM auto worker relatives, I felt quite proud of how far I have come and was proud of my education. Also, I just really found your use of elitism in that sentence out of place. After having re-read it for a few times, I think I see the point that you are trying to make. I have had to straddle the "elite" slash working class divide my entire life and I find people who attack elites in politics as hypocritical- both sides have them and both are in competition for them. Every society has its elites because, of course, we don't live in a Marxist society. The power of elites in politics becomes very troublesome when opportunities are limited to just them and not everyone else. Considering how the economy boomed under Clinton in the late 90s because of his strategic economic decisions (the same ones that were part of Hillary's platform), I have reason and hope to believe that we will experience another bout of inclusive growth with her as our president. Here's to hoping that we both live in a peaceful and prosperous democracy over the next 8 years. Cheers

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It is very refreshing to see a fellow PwCer posting such posts on fishbowl instead of the usual points&miles casual brags. Here's are my two cents towards this argument: we are what our environment nurture us to be. As a first generation immigrant who came to the US at the age of 13 and have been living in NYC ever since, I've went through the stage of living in a basement with my parents, to them actually buying a condo through hard works after I was able to attend college with a full scholarship with in a 5 years program,so at one point, my whole family was hardcore Democrat... and it's through all these years of observations, I find that the lefties have been trying to put labels on people who have different ideas than them, antagonize and even demonize them in a super negative and demeaning way instead of focusing on the issues/ politics

Yes, some of Trump's comments can be categorized as racist or sexist, but many of his target audience grew up in such environment and language, just like half of our founding fathers are slave holders, they grew up in an era different than ours, hence they hold a different view, so instead of name calling them, the real "fix" one can do is through education, teach their children to be better than their parents, but I don't see that happening with the current division in our country with little hints of possible reconciliation.

I'm by no means a Trump supporter, I just hoped that we are not under an electoral college system which strongly discouraged sensible independent candidates like Bloomberg to run ....

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OP's point is about the elitism of HRC supporters - let's not switch to "Trump horrible" (I am as anti Trump as they get, btw). It's a very unfortunate turn of events when the Democrats are portrayed as being ignorant of the needs of the working class. Not sure if anyone truly has the welfare of the Rust Belt in their agenda ....

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OP - hate is a strong word but I have a flair for the dramatic. And I know that's their reason. You're assuming I haven't done my research about why people support trump. I have, and could talk at length about it, but I don't feel the need to type that out on an anonymous app. Even if I understand their reason, it doesn't mean I agree with it, and it certainly doesn't mean I won't judge them for being able to ignore the rest of his character and his general unsuitability for the office of POTUS.

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OP- I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but your last comment shows that you aren't really interested in having a thoughtful discussion on this topic. Also, I have multiple degrees in politics so you don't have to define "democratic" for me. Honestly, if we are going to go there, I'd recommend you look up the pillars of democratic values and take a long hard look at what damage Trump has done. My spidey sense was telling me from the start to not respond to your comment because it would probably end in some nonsense like this. Wish I would have listened to it. Have fun hating the news for the next 8 years.

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Translating: OP calling people who voted for Hitler not racists, because they didn't do the holocaust themselves. 👏

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OP you're the one not listening. Most Hillary supporters are not looking down on Trump supporters for anything other than the racism and sexism he promotes.

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I do look down on Trump supporters. There I said it. They do tend to be under educated as were Hillary supporters when she was going against Barack. At the end of the day that lack of education allows them to fear the unknown (and when I say lack of education I talk about both school and traveling experiences, I.e. I never have left the state I was born in). I don't care if it upsets someone, the lack of education and experiences allows folks to believe President Obama was a Muslim or allows people to vote for a man who says you have to treat women like shit, a literal trump quote, or call blacks "the" African Americans and talk about how they live in filth which is not true, and call all Mexicans criminals and rapists. So no I don't feel bad about not liking them and no I don't give them a pass. They are ignorant and dangerous to the make up of this country.

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P1 of course there are some women and minorities supporting Trump but the overwhelming majority are white males without college degrees.90% of his supporters are white and over 60% are whites without college degrees. I have nothing against people that are uneducated, my whole family is, but I do have an issue with people who support someone who preaches sexism and racism. I shouldn't be called an elitist because I don't condone people supporting someone who has a track record of sexism and racism.

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......... great argument BCG.

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C1, first, you shouldn't "hate" someone just because they disagree politically with you. Second, you missed the entire point. These people are supporting him because in their worlds, the policies that Hillary is promoting are similar to the ones that have directly caused them economic harm. Trump might say terrible things, but those terrible things have nothing to do with their quality of life. Just have a little bit of empathy vs. jumping to assume

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I agree that HRC's support has a very strong elite streak to it, however, I do not think that this jeopardizes democratic ideas. I don't think that it does for the same reasons that I mentioned above. I grew up in Youngstown, Ohio, but I am now officially part of HRC's elite cadre (hosted several fundraisers for her campaign). There are enough of us who are living the American dream and haven't forgotten where we have come from. We won't forget and we will serve.

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It's not about what I feel because these are real situations but I get it. You don't want to actually discuss the reality of the entire situation - you just want to bash one group - ok lol. And while you preach empathy for one people group, you literally just dismissed me, someone who has experienced actual things. Again, that isn't generalizing a doggone thing it's me, a person, telling you how actual Trump supporters have treated me and things I HAVE SEEN. That's hypocrisy at its finest and it let's me know what your actual angle is here. You got it though 👌🏾.

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Stop calling my colleagues arrogant pricks for pointing out a statistical fact. You have really no class. Pun intended.

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And I am glad you sympathize with racist immigrant and women hating persons. Not being afforded the same opportunities of me is not a valid excuse for hate.

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To what plan do you speak of? Elimination of trade deals? I expect HRC to maintain Obamacare which will at least provide health care. She's more likely to maintain the various entitlements that these folks depend on. It's a shit situation overall - jobs are gone and they aren't coming back any time soon, regardless of who is in office. Magical thinking benefits no one, however.

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Thanks for your POV and a more thorough explanation D3. If we go back 4 years ago and look at who was attacking elitism, it was democrats attacking Mitt Romney. My point is that much has changed with this election cycle, and coming from a party that has traditionally tried to speak for the poor and the middle class, it's just bizarre and hypocritical. I can't believe the GOP nominee is the one propped up by Main Street while the Dem nominee is propped up by Wall St. and no one takes issue with this. Cheers!

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OP- totally agree with you about the bizarre Main St.- Wall St. flip. My favorite item in this category is how the Repubs are now anti-trade despite that being their core thing for the last 30 years. It is so messed up! Agree with you there, totally

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I can't imagine how anyone can call Hillary supporters more hateful than Trump supporters. Intolerant of the opinions of the other side, sure. But hate? You've fallen into a false equivalence trap like so many others.

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Go find a discussion partner in real life? Or does nobody want to deal with your incoherent logic and reasoning? It's painful to read your arguments.

The other BCG post that you said started this posts just pointed out that Trump is popular with the uneducated white demographic. Watch any news station to learn that fact.

It has nothing to do with classism or elitism. It's a statistical polling fact. Just like Hillary is popular with Hispanics.

Anyone who supports Trump is apparently ok with his racism and sexism and thinks that's good enough for president of the United States. That disqualifies people in my eyes, I want nothing to do with them and that is independent of race, class, gender or whatever.

Unsubscribing from this OP-whine-fest.

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@bcg1, your colleague IS an arrogant prick, not for pointing out a statistical fact, but for pointing it out in a demeaning way - as if OP of that post shouldn't vote for Trump unless he wants to be lumped in with uneducated white people. Further, not a single person has come forward on this thread denouncing this classism, even when I called that out. Clearly it's not something anyone on here (except for maybe D3) disagrees with. Also didn't you already unsubscribe for my "whine-fest"? Why are you still here?

EY 2, glad you openly admit that you look down on those who have not been afforded the same opportunities as you and I.

D3, part right. Wasn't old enough in '08 though back then I supported Hillary. Obama for '12. Have been liberal since I was old enough to understand what all that meant. I loved the ideals, messages of hope and equality. I started moving away from the party a couple years ago after seeing a lot ironic intolerance for anyone with different viewpoints, and even more so this election cycle. Quite a long pause - trying to do more than sit on Fishbowl and enjoy my Sunday! Already spent too long down this rabbit hole

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