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Can someone please explain why in store grocery shopping is considered safe? I still feel like that’s covid central.

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Well for one thing, how many people in that store do you actually think have covid. Different states’ positivity rates are all over the place, but they’re below 20% (at absolute worst in a few states), with most really being around 5% or so. That’s just people who actually went to get tested. We’re currently unclear as to whether the real number is higher or lower. I’m tempted to think lower since most people who get the test have some reason to do so - symptoms or suspected exposure. Not everyone who has covid is asymptomatic (presumably symptomatic people wouldn’t be in said store). Even your asymptomatic people are wearing a mask to prevent them from breathing directly on you. It’s obviously your choice to take the risk or not. I don’t feel that stores are that dangerous because I don’t run into many people there and don’t stand next to anyone for an extended period of time. I don’t think even if I brushed against someone with covid that I would get it. It’s not like I’m at a club with sweaty people all around. So...it’s seems fine.

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Epidemiologists say there’s a threshold of virus particles you need to take in to get infected. If two people are both wearing masks and pass each other briefly and there is no talking, the risk of infection is very low. The riskiest activities are where you take in more infectious particles so you’re more likely to reach the threshold - when someone is not wearing a mask, or when you’re in prolonged contact with someone, or where there is talking or singing, both of which send respiratory droplets further than just breathing. So grocery stores that require people to wear masks and limit the concentration of shoppers are steering clear of some of the riskiest activities, (although the risk is not zero, it’s still acceptable to most people). If you wash your hands thoroughly before touching your face, you also eliminate the risk of transferring virus from an infected surface to yourself.

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I think the singing aspect is really interesting, having never really thought about how far breath droplets go with not talking vs talking vs seeing. The choir that had a big breakout even though everyone was socially distanced albeit indoors is pretty incredible.

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Building codes require that the air exchange rates be calculate based on the volume or number of occupants, whichever has greater results. Since grocery stores are typically double or triple-height spaces and 50% of floor area is occupied by shelving, the net result is a very low occupant to volume ratio. So in other words, cubic feet of air exchanged per minute per person is much higher than other building types, even on a normal day. Then multiply that by reducing how many people are allowed in and it’s even better. Granted, decisions on what can open aren’t looking at specific buildings. They’re based on blanket assumptions about how grocery stores are built and things like grocery staff are easily trained with additional tasks like regular sterilization since they were required to do stuff like that already as part of their health and safety license.

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I live with an at risk immunocompromised family member

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Because it’s safer than starving?

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Also, as someone who is young and healthy, I don’t feel right making some other person take that risk for me while I sit home on my ass, you know?

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I have not been to a grocery store or any restaurant since mid March. I feel it’s unsafe. I’m on the total safety precautions side playing my role so this beast can be tamed. Everything is ordered either using Instacart or direct store delivery like Amazon Fresh, Costco direct and trunk delivery for any emergency item. The places not offering one of these services for delivery are not on my list for shopping. I’m not against those who play less safe and prefer eating at restaurants etc as that’s their choice. I will follow what makes me feel comfortable.

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Right Accenture. That’s why I said I “get that and respect that” and “not saying you don’t” - my comment was not a “no, but...” it was a “yes, and...(we should all remember our essential workers)”

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Also how much are you talking and standing in one space? And if it was "covid central," wouldn't ALL cashiers and stockers etc. have it by now?

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There have been studies that show the virus doesn’t survive on surfaces.

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It’s not safe. But people need groceries. So given the benefits then it’s considered safe enough. There have been plenty of COVID cases reported for grocery store workers. But the store closes for a few hours for “enhanced cleaning” and then things carry on. For the record I’ve been grocery shopping in store the past 6 months. No idea if I have Covid but we need food.

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So you’re not comfortable going to a grocery store because it’s covid central but you’re cool with paying someone to go into covid central for you. Got it. Well you keep living like a hobbit putting someone else at risk. Seems so hypocritical

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This a a hilarious take. Someone making minimum wage is going to have some kind of unique training to protect them from the pandemic. Yeah ok.

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People need to do what they need to do and stop blaming COVID...

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Let’s go to a packed club and stand in front of each other face to face breathing into each other no masks no hand washing... next stop a ventilator... Totally not blaming covid at all🙄🙄🙄🙄

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Because I have been doing it weekly since this all started and I am still COVID free.

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Doesn’t being a statistician make it worse

Wait, are people still worrying about Covid?!

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It’s not Nov 4th yet so yes.

Because you’re moving for the most part, not standing/sitting in one location for an extended period of time.

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People are generally moving around, faces covered. You don’t really stop and talk to people, or touch other people. The weak point is that the cashier touches someone’s food and cans that the customer touched, then yours, then the next person without cleaning their hands. But then I thought Covid was spread by moisture droplets from one person, breathed in by another. My mom is 80 and an anti-mask nut and hasn’t got it.

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