Can someone the rational for staying in lockdown if hospitals are below capacity (not sure whether or not they are)?

It seems to me that we are just kicking the can down the road. Social distancing only saves lives in as much as we don’t have capacity to deal with patients. If we have capacity and you die there likely isn’t much we could have done besides waiting an indefinite amount of time for a better treatment protocol or vaccine.

What am I missing here?

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It seems like our metric for evaluating this should be something like deaths above capacity. If you die because you couldn’t get medical treatment that’s on us.

[covid deaths due to lack of medical care] / [total covid deaths]

Or something along those lines.

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This is just too logical for any government

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The problem right now is the lack of effective treatment; we know very little about the virus, and have no way of knowing who will live and who will die if sick. It’s true that the majority of severe cases are in the elderly and immunocompromised, but there are also an alarming number of severe cases in healthy people without underlying conditions. That’s what’s worrisome to doctors; there’s nothing proven they can do for those people who theoretically shouldn’t have been at high risk yet are dying anyways, and so their lives are essentially left to chance. Until we have some proven action/treatment that can reliably influence the case outcome, we need to buy time to minimize the number of people who get sick. (Source: my dad is a surgeon on the board of his hospital and this is what they’ve been constantly worrying about)

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The issue isn’t just hospital bed availability. It’s that many treatments, procedures, etc. are being delayed to free up beds for covid19 patients and keep others out of hospitals to minimize risk of covid19 transmission (especially since many of these patients are already immunocompromised). These delays can intensify patients’ medical conditions and increase the likelihood they will die (for example, NYTimes reports 1/4 of cancer patients saw a delay in care). We know states and the federal government are not coordinated in how they track covid19 deaths (for example, consistently including people who died at home or in nursing homes) and there are no uniform processes to track data on preventable deaths from other causes indirectly tied to covid19. But that doesn’t mean we should discount these circumstances. There is also insufficient data on current PPE availability but that in itself is a problem. Since we saw the consequences of inadequate PPE coverage, opening up should depend on data confirming that we *do* have sufficient PPE levels in all 50 states and across urban and rural areas- rather than moving ahead and waiting for another flare-up to demonstrate that we don’t.

Aren't we slowly coming out of lockdown precisely because the numbers, the data, are suggesting what you say, among other key indicators looking good? The point is that we don't want to rush things and end up with a second wave and have to go right back into lockdown in June. Just look at other countries like Singapore, which were much stricter than us to begin with...

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As of now, we don't have enough testing capacity to determine who has it or had it which prevents us from opening safely. This makes it hard to determine accurately if our infection rate is increasing, holding steady, or decreasing. If we quickly reopen without this foundation, our numbers will exponentially increase again since we won't know who is sick and will find out way after those infect hundreds more.

If there is enough testing capacity, we can reopen SAFELY and SLOWLY because we can quickly identify who is sick and contain them before another big peak occurs - we'll have smaller peaks instead. Look at South Korea, they had testing down from the get go, contained it early, and never had to do a full shutdown; they just had an outbreak from one of the clubs in Seoul but clamped it down quickly because they have the testing foundation down. The US on the other hand has to test more now to make up for the time where more people became infected over the past 2 months; we could be doing a lot better now if we got testing down right early. We didn't so here we are with shitty options.

Now we just want to open quickly instead of trying to open safely and slowly. The sooner we listen to health experts and expand testing capacity, the sooner we can open safely.

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I fail to see how testing helps that much unless you force everyone to get tested. The majority of people are asymptomatic or they have mild cold like symptoms so they dont even bother getting tested. Additionally, theyve done studies on small sample size populations such as a small prison to show that you would need to test people multiple times for testing to work properly. Half of inmates who were originally tested that were shown to be negative, were later shown to be positive even after being isolated after their first test. Theres a fairly long preincubation period.

Your’e missing the love. Where is the love?

This was a failed attempt at a black eyed peas reference. I humbly take this L and I feel you OP

You roll the dice that one of those blood clots might blow up your heart.

I don’t get your point. About 60% of the pop will end up with CV19 by the end of this. You will end up rolling the dice whether you like it or not.

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Total hospital capacity isn’t the issue when bringing in covid patients. They have to stay in ICU which accounts for a fraction of the hospital. Imagine a hospital being flooded with 1000 pregnancies happening in the same day. They don’t have the resources, necessary supply of skill set, materials, and meds for 1000 pregnancies.

Now imagine an unknown virus that also spooks healthcare workers...

Don’t get me started on my conspiracy theories

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