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can't deal with racist friends rn who really believe that everyone has the same opportunities in the US.

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So all these first and second generation immigrants who come here and have made it now think they can use past trauma to invalidate the black experience...um, you ESCAPED countries that had the situations that black people ARE STILL IN. They are fighting to change their homeland and not escape like you and your ancestors chose to. Your homelands that you fled from STILL have institutionalized racism, discrimination, poverty and all the ugly things you ran away from.
DON'T FAULT SOMEONE FOR CLEANING HOUSE WHEN THEY'VE OWNED IT FOR CENTURIES AND YOU GOT HERE A SECOND AGO.
You have NO right to do so.

PS. Second generation Asian female Muslim immigrant. I have the triple minority trifecta.
Ancestors (grandparents) fled wars THREE times to three different countries.
Grandfather was prisoner of war and tortured for 3 years.
Grandmother was single mom for three years while her husband was declared dead.
I have lived through the Gulf War and the Libyan revolution personally.
Don't come at me and tell me I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
I understand my privilege and my ancestors experience and use it to EMPATHIZE with anyone who still suffers from the same.

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Thank you for replying more adequately on my behalf than I could have. Your response is completely entirely correct, 100%.
One version of lived trauma, discrimination and racism does not invalidate others, because it is in a different manner or time frame or from a different instigator than yours. That invalidation at any level, especially coming from a survivor of such, is even more insensitive than if it came from people with generational privilege because they have no frame of reference, or comparable experience. That is not to say they can be excused, but to say the onus is on all of us to listen and share our experiences.
We need to hold ourselves to a higher standard of empathy and compassion if we expect the same from the system /societies we live in and come from.

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I think a good place to start these conversations is with the War on Drugs. The war on drugs has destroyed communities and generational wealth across the US. The War on Drugs expanded the power of the criminal justice system- creating legal doctrine like absolute prosecutorial immunity and qualified immunity for police officers.
It continues to imprison people for non-violent offenses. What’s worse? They did it to intentionally to hurt black Americans.
To quote John Ehrlichman, the domestic aide and one of the people who spear headed the foundational policies that became the War On Drugs, “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news."

This is systemic racism- by perpetuating policies that were designed to and successful destroyed black communities, we continue systemic racism. It’s not intentional or done with malice, but we need to dismantle these policies to move forward.

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The New Jim Crow is a great book on this, and other issues. The Marshall Project does a great job on reporting on the US prison and criminal justice system, if people were curious to learn more.

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You can't just call someone racist because they have a different take on things than you

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A4, we should never stop confronting racism.
Your real cowardice comment has the perception that suppressing others with wild racism comments isn’t cowardice.
I will agree that any REAL racism is cowardice.
I will agree it is a problem.
I will agree that every city leader in America should come together and stop the lip service and present possible solutions.

America will not unite without everyone coming together and actively seeking discourse and solutions.

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There are 1.1M police officers in the US who have 250M citizen interactions per year and make 11M arrests.

We see a couple dozen YouTube videos over the last 10 years of a few criminal officers doing unacceptable things and now we leap to the conclusion that all police are racist and every interaction with a black person is violent.

It's not unlike people hearing about an airplane crashing and thinking that flying is dangerous. People never think of the millions of safe flights. Where are the videos of 250M respectful and dignified police interactions carried out by brave men/women doing a job that most Americans would never do and that many Americans find despicable.

We are quick to condemn 1.1m officers and rush to the streets to destroy our cities because 0.009% of police officers have done some rotten things.

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Ey5 Infallible argument. Let’s continue and calculate to see the percentage of shops/stores vandalized/looted as compared to the total number of shops/stores and see the percentage of gdp lost due to this looting. If the percentage is low enough then would it constitute ‘destruction of our cities’? Since that’s what the biggest issue seems to be right now. Or are we worried because of the small percentage of livelihoods that are being effected. Just trying to confirm since if the percentage is low then we should not worry or do anything about it😊😊

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Generational wealth vs generational poverty are bigger indicators of “opportunity” in someone’s life. No, you’re not doomed to stay in poverty if you were born in it... but it is harder because there are way less opportunities.

Usually race is associated with this.

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You are absolutely right. You can’t reason with unreasonable.

Ah yes the vicious racists who believe in fortitude and self-accountability in a country where you can make it if you sacrifice and put the work in

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Statistics and evidence are no match for FORTITUDE

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25yo female Hispanic. Parents came here with nothing. Didn’t know English. Worked their butts off to move out of the south side of Chicago for me to get a better/safer education. I taught myself English. I graduated top of my class in high school and college. I taught myself hard work. I paid for my own college and earned merit scholarships. I knew I couldn’t let what my parents worked hard for go to waste. I have a masters degree now, and I’m far better off than most white people. Never have I blamed racism or white people for my “lack of opportunities”. Sure, I didn’t have that nice big house in Naperville. I didn’t get to go on family vacations. I didn’t get cool birthday parties. I didn’t really have nice clothes, but I learned to appreciate what I did have and now I work towards giving my children the opportunities I didn’t have. Get rid of this victimhood mentality. You build your own happiness. I am grateful for every opportunity I was given to from this country. There are many opportunities for everyone. You just have to work hard and chase after your dreams.

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A8 I was a 25 year old just like you. Hispanic female, graduated top of my class in high school, college and grad school. I used to feel proud and motivated in the beginning of my career at Accenture. Then all of the sudden, less and less women were in the room and I started experiencing obstacles and politics that my white male counterparts were not experiencing. The hard work gets you to a decent six figures paycheck, but a lot more goes into getting to positions of power and unfortunately there are still significant barriers for minorities that white males don’t experience.

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They’ve been saying that for decades now, they just don’t want to understand.

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You’re terribly wrong. I know plenty of people who come from nothing ( all mind colored skins coming from outside US), even homeless, but made it to life’s and even earned doctors or m7 mbas.

You know what the secret ingredients are? Working hard, accept challenges, and not making excuses by blaming others. America is the greatest place in earth for opportunities, that’s why people wanna be here.

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Yep, you're right. But you know what? I had to work WAY, WAY harder than my white friends to get to the same place. They'll tell you themselves. If you believe in meritocracy, this should bother you too. If not, you don't actually hold the values you espouse.

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I’m a minority and I’m doing way better compared to my white and other minority friends.

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Zig Ziglar: “Success occurs when opportunity meets preparation” - is there discrimination yes, is it harder for some people, yes. But it’s America if you really want a job you can get one - you can have an okay life.

However it’s starts in the family and the people who are more privileged need to hold themselves accountable and give back. I’m a minority and I will continue to work hard to become an individual of influence.

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Black people are 13% of pop but are 40% of the prison population. This is directly tied to slavery and economic injustice. I’m done. This argument will continue until we can agree on these basis facts.

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It’s easy to account for more crime if you are at an economic disadvantage (whites have 10x the amount as blacks) and if you are arrested / prosecuted at a higher rate. Save me with the bullshit

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I love you OP. Some people will stay ignorant. And that includes a lot of people on this app. Don't wear yourself thin on these people...drop them for your own sanity.

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I'll say it cause no one else will. I am white, I grew up in upper middle class area. I am 26. Sure, I worked adequately. But I never really worked that hard to get to where I'm at, I basically did the minimum req of me and made it to "success." I'm sure it would've been a lot harder if I grew up poor in an area with shitty schools (which are predominantly minority populations). Those of you arguing this is a wealth issue, not a race issue is missing the point. WEALTH is tied to race right now. There's a reason the average black person has a networth of around $0 and white people own the majority of real estate in this country. Take a step back and THINK!

NO ONE is saying if you are black you can't become a doctor, or CEO, whatever. That is a strawman argument. All they are saying is that it is harder. Why is that so hard to accept?

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Pwc3 but then you missed the total second paragraph. Are you blind? He just said wealth is tied to race. My family is well to do and I’m lucky to stand where I am now but climbing that socioeconomic ladder is harder for PoC. Not only is there bias from banks, neighborhoods, and government officials, a lot of minorities give up their culture and history for the sake of assimilation.

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I have been racially profiled most of the time since I stepped into this country... but I got used to it. This is how I see it, as long as I am not physically abused, I’m totally fine.

But there are people that face physical abuse because of racism, which is not okay. We’re in the 21st century yet we’re acting so primitive. I don’t understand.

With that said, if your friends are not supportive of your views and try to abuse you in anyway, you should let them go. They’re not good for you.

If it’s a friendly banter, just caution them or politely tell them that you don’t want to talk about that.

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I agree with you A3, there is absolutely no excuse for abuse in any form.
Love yourself to remove abusive people from your life.
Love the people around you enough to hear them and encourage good, civil, and peaceful discourse.

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I can’t believe you guys are hired consultants when you’re unable to see ground truth past your own biases. Racism is a *system* that makes it *systemically harder* to achieve success in this country. All your anecdotes of people who made it mean nothing in an app that is definitionally biased towards survivorship. There is actual data that shows convincingly how race affects your education, wealth, nutrition, geography, ability to buy a house, ability to apply for a loan, likelihood to get arrested, likelihood to get harassed by cops, likelihood to get hired, likelihood to be promoted. Do the legwork. And slavery might have ended a “long” time ago but that was followed by Jim Crow and segregation. School segregation was overturned in the 50s, desegregation in housing was legislated in the 70s and some places were still desegregating in the 80s. But racism is over now? Please. Learn how to do a regression. Pick up a book. Watch a doc. We live in an age of information and you guys consider yourselves professional advisers. It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.

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They are privileged not racist. This is why this word no longer has meaning. This generation so quick to tag pple racist. Do you know the definition of racism?. Pls educate yourself.

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White privilege is a byproduct of racism/racist system

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You don't have to be throwing rocks at black people to be racist. Being born in a world where racism is in media, politics, organizations structures etc, builds the racism concept within you, that black people / other ethnic groups are inferior to white ones. You are all racist. Try to learn something about it and stop denying as if it was a personal offense.

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@A9

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Speaking of TONE Deaf.....

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Oh hell no! I’m throwing away my Cisco Nexus 9000 Series Switches and going to buy the Juniper QFX10008 Modular series. If you support freedom, join me and liberate your network data center fabric from racism.

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In general, we are lazy, and if we benefit from the current system, then leaning into an uncomfortable conversation is still quite optional for lots of our colleagues. It's messy and it feels gross, but that doesn't mean we can continue to afford putting our heads back in the sand.

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Perspective. I come from a rat hole—literally a fabela. I’d be eating garbage off a dumpster if it wasn’t for America. So for me this place is the bomb. But my wife who was born here, surrounded by wealth, in millionaire home, opportunity isn’t equal to all. She can afford to criticize this country because she’s never lived anywhere else.

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SMIAM - you are self inflicting it on yourself. You can come from a favela and as long as you live here and have contributed by paying taxes, you have a right to criticize the representation you are entitled to. Fairly or not.

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