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Caught a candidate and offerree lying about his GPA. Resume had a 3.9 and background check returned a transcript with 3.7 (doesn’t look like he was ever close to 3.9). Seems like a bright kid though, mostly just unsettled by the need to lie. What would you do?

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Wow, I must be really old fashioned... while I think a 3.7 is a fantastic GPA (unless it's a super grade-inflated school in a soft major), and while I think that the GPA should be clarified with the candidate, I do think that the 3.7 vs. 3.9 discrepancy is grounds to be dropped from the process. If intentional, it speaks to a lack of integrity. If unintentional, I do view that as a gross lack of attention to detail on a highly critical document. For me there's just no way to justify that if not explained by transfer credits, "major" GPA, etc.

(And I'm 29... not a boomer)

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Agreed!

Completely agree, what matters the most to you? His ability to get the job? His intent to get the job or the 0.2 difference in GPA…just ask him instead of assuming, you never know…Attitude matters the most here…he might not be very smart if he made that intentionally without thinking about the background check and it might just be a difference in calculation…Also, most importantly hiring someone smart doesn’t guarantee productivity…just have an open mind and have a honest conversation and give him the benefit of the doubt and take note of his attitude.

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Lol…with no guilt!!? That’s lame

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Update commented - was never about the GPA as much as it was the reflection on honesty right out of school

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Good golly. Why are you still asking for a GPA?

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Lying is a problem. There are a lot of bright kids out there, give this job to someone with integrity.

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Ask them to clarify the 3.7 vs 3.9 error. Maybe there is a honest explanation. Assume positive intent vs an attempt at dishonesty and give the candidate a chance to set the record straight.

If there’s no legit explanation, you’ll at least know you tried and the candidate will know better going forward.

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Agree, just ask. Maybe it was a 3.9 when they drafted their resume and after they finished their last semester they forgot to update, or maybe it's their major GPA, or maybe it's just a minor typo. That's like so close. Is that the difference between an A and an A-? Is 0.2 really that relevant?

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He should have gone with ~3.9

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~4.0

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Dude, .1 GPA variance is not a big deal nor is a .2 GPA variance. If you’re worried about honesty, just bring it up and see reaction. If they own up, just let it slide.

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Strat&1: better to compare to weight(control) rather than height(no control).

Maybe it was his “major GPA” that was 3.9? I would give him the benefit of the doubt and at the least follow up with the candidate just to see what happened or if there was a misunderstanding. Who knows, maybe he’ll admit to lying which might show character.

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Agree on last point, some interviews I’ve made a point to say, we don’t really look at GPA, but tell me about this project. What was challenging? How did u work together to resolve it?

I wish I get paid to take tests or sit in lectures, unfortunately most of us get paid to use critical thinking, solve problems, offer solutions.

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Update for those interested: I asked the candidate and he admitted to fudging the number because he believed he deserved higher grades in a few courses “he was treated unfairly in”. Talked to the recruiters/other interviewers (including a partner) and they suggested we rescind the offer because to them it was a flag, so that’s what we did. For context, I lead recruiting for this campus which is why I was so involved with the candidates even as they received offers.

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Sia, you really like digging in to your POV, don’t you?

Are you sure they didn’t calculate In-Major GPA?

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If it matters that much to you ask them for an explanation. But also who lies about 3.7 vs 3.9?? (If you’re going to lie at least make it worth it, like 2.8 vs 3.8 lol)

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Maybe if they think that 0.1 difference is the minimum threshold…but yeah I agree. They could have a good explanation.

Maybe he/she was a 3.9 at the time the resume was completed and uploaded and didn’t fare so well the last one or two semesters? The Final GPA might have gone down and the resume wasn’t updated or was submitted before grades were available. Definitely don’t pass on this candidate, ask about the discrepancy first.

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Personally more than anything I would be interested in having them explain their math. In my line of work, client delivery depends on methodology and precision. You might learn something interested by asking… you may find someone who is sloppy or you may find someone who is diligent and able to articulately explain a process.

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I like this approach!

I wouldn't hire them but make sure they aren't including classes from a school they transferred from in their GPA calculation.

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Just tried to do it by their major and it’s a 3.8… still off but true didn’t think of that.

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Ask them. They probably used a major GPA instead of the one that counts astronomy or something.

If they have no answer, then you can worry. I’m sure they did some flexible logic though that’s vaguely defendable

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Too bad I got a B instead of an A in Managerial Accounting, otherwise I’d be better at making slides.

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Major GPA?

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Wait what kind of background check actually returns a GPA wtf never heard of that ...

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Some request your transcripts. I had to send mine in for verification. I wasn’t happy about it.

I graduated summa cum laude and have never put my gpa on a resume it’s an absolutely pointless number my buddy is the smartest person I know graduated with a 2.7 is a senior engineer for apple

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Your buddy above seems to think it’s the only metric of which to gauge success. I agree with you 100%.

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Call the cops

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