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Go read the posts from March. Everyone will claim victory. 2.2M Americans die annually and we don’t close the economy. This only becomes an issue for you once your personal economic situation is effected and for most consultants thats another 6 weeks out. Grab your popcorn for the EY July layoffs and everyone else who follows.

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“Everyone was supposed to drop dead”. Give me a break, no one thought everyone was going to drop dead. Maybe because rational people realized they were going to stay inside despite the lifting of the lockdown; unfortunately, cases in GA and FL have been stagnant, not dropping - FL data is relatively shady considering the measures they’ve taken to suppress reporting, GA is better about it. You can call it what you want - there is a part of it that’s fear mongering, but not entirely. You just prefer to ignore the model because we didn’t want to/can’t play out the other scenario. It’s easy to look at the data now and say “see we overreacted”. This picture accurately sums up what a lot of experts were saying about how people would react to the measures:

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Remember back in March when everyone said “if this is successful it will seem like an overreaction”. Yeah, that’s kinda the point.

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Lol the experts called it early on. If the lockdown “works,” people will say it was an overreaction. You honestly can’t win with y’all. 100,000 people died, OP.

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Exactly. And this is with the shelter in place order. Imagine if we haven’t had that...

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How is 100k deaths an overreaction? I can't understand this rationale.

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Kpmg1 off your numbers 56/12months vs 100/4 months...slopity slope

*grabs popcorn*

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Any response to a pandemic that works will look like an overreaction

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"Hindside... But.."lol 100k people died and we are overreacting? Cool.

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331M people in the U.S. at a 0.4% death rate for the 65% who are symptomatic is 860.5K potential deaths. No, not everyone would get infected, but a lot would. And death rate would certainly be higher if more hospitals were overrun with an influx of patients. How the f is reacting strongly to prevent close to 1M preventable deaths a bad move?

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800k isn’t a valid estimate. You reach herd immunity at 60%, so the number would be closer to 500k. We’re going to hit 200k anyway. So the question is whether 40M unemployed - unemployment number if we had stayed open < ~300k deaths + other deaths/illnesses due to people not seeking elective treatment + other mental health issues, etc.

3000 people died on 9/11 and we turned the world upside down.

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Also from NYC and agree with you, SAD1. Our response was so unbelievably disproportionate that it’s scary people still think it was the appropriate response. I’ve also found that people who are NOT from NYC are more likely to use 9/11 as their battle cry to push an anti-immigrant agenda. Most NYers, in my opinion, will be inclined to agree with your reasoning over Principal’s thought process.

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And 100k death is AFTER the country’s lock down and everyone live inside for 2 months. The number may double or triple that if we don’t do anything. Also the more scary thing than flu about this is that there is NO TREATMENT, flu has a treatment and a vaccine, so if you get this, you are on your own.

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8 times higher is a better estimate if we use Sweden as an example compared to neighboring countries

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So perhaps 1 million deaths would made the shutdown thing worthy for you ?

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Would you be posting this if one of your loved ones was one of the only 100k deaths? And what would you be posting if they died as a result of inaction from the government (no lock down)?

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You also have to realize 46% of the deaths were from long term care facilities, of which make up .6% of the population. And again, a vast majority of these were in NYC, were bad decisions inflated the results. This is also with states like Michigan, who has similar mandates of putting patients back into long term care like NYC, do no report the long term care deaths. Plus, LTC patients who died in hospitals are usually also not counted. There’s a medium of overreaction and leis a fare policies.

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But the magnitude of asymptomatic people is probably multiple magnitudes higher. Just from preliminary studies in Santa Clara county and NY (~8% of people had the antibodies in them already, coupled with NYC where 25% had them and NY state ~18%) the timeframe is also way off, with cases being traced back to November/December of last year, which is why an early outbreak of the flu was also recorded on the west coast.

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Well, when the estimates say that 1-2M people would’ve died without them, do you think we overreacted? You also have the issues of overrun hospitals and increased supply chain disruptions that would’ve happened due to greater prevalence of the virus

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Thanks Cuomo

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As a percent of the population 100k is nothing. Not trying to dismiss those who have been impacted, but let’s keep it real here.

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Well if that's your rationale, in the grand scheme of things, the loss in wages is also nothing compared to a lifetime of earnings. And the govt is propping people up.

Should probably lock down in perpetuity at this point really. There is no valid argument against it with all the lives at stake when you start to include driving deaths in the mix.

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If you can’t see the difference between driving deaths and Covid, yes, you should probably go into lockdown in perpetuity. 

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OP, you are reading the statistics incorrectly. First, you cannot conditioning the statistics to skew to your narrative. I have explained this at least three time in similar post. People need to stop spreading misinformation. The unbiased len to look at the mortality rate is taking the overall deaths over all confirmed cases where they are contacted with the virus. Then, if you want to know how dangerous a virus is, you will need to know the contiguous rate meaning how many cases can be trace to one sources. Then, multiply both probabilities to get a overall rate is. I cannot stress enough how people miss understand the data and only look at the headline report numbers. Please think a little deeper before spreading these type of thoughts. To add on this, worldwide mortality of the covid is around 6%, and US is 10% which is slightly inflated because of lack of testing. But, it would not be 10 time lower.

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How long are you planning to wait, D5?

I think that unless you saw and experienced first hand the ravages of this virus you should be thankful. It was brutal and losing 100,000 people is unacceptable. It’s not over and we lose more people. Do you want to risk dying? It’s hit the poor, minorities and elderly and this comment sound like white privilege.

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I think EVP meant disproportionately. Look at NY - Bronx and Queens (and other minority-high areas) had much higher rate of deaths and covid contraction. Not to mention worse hospital care

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