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Class of 2020 had it the absolute hardest but ppl don’t realize the class of 2019 moved to big hub cities, lived our best lives, FINALLY adjusted to adulting and then everything drastically changed. Now so many of us who committed to living in big cities are 1) already scared of layoffs and 2) are in a predicament about whether to move home or resign leases. We couldn’t make job and location decisions based on this unexpected “new reality” but at least the class of 2020 somewhat can

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Oh please. Such babies. With companies honoring their job offers but pushing it out maybe, internships being virtual WFH, Deloitte giving away jobs to anyone who applies. Lol. Must be hard sitting on tictok all day while you get paid for having practically no skills. The class is 2010-2012 had it the hardest. There were no jobs and no one was hiring. That is the generation that had to move back home for years with massive student debt, work part time menial jobs to make ends meet, deal with the catch 22 of needing experience to get a job as they dealt with endless rejection letter after rejection letter, delay/drop the idea of grad school, delay marriage, delay kids, make less than their parents did and have a housing boom with crazy house prices caused by nimby boomers. Not to mention grow up with 9-11, Iraq and now Rona. And guess what, no one cared. No one gave a shit about that generation other than to yell at us about being "lazy Millennials that couldn't get a real job and move out". Don't even get me started with past generations that dealt with the Great Depression or various wars.

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Where are my 2010 Grads at??? i feel you. PM1 had a bit of a rant tone to his speech but its true though. Hopefully you guys are not graduating again this year as am I from MBA. Can tell you that I starting to think I am the predictor of recessions. Every time I go to school, come graduation time, it just crashes!! Stay frosty my friends!

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OP yes it’s tough. But every generation has challenges like these. And there are cohorts in each which experience those turbulent times more or less depending on when you exit school etc. These are the events that define generational cutoffs and mentalities. You’re right this will be a big impact on gen z and the one after. I do agree though w those talking about the comparison w 2008 recession. I graduated shortly after that in middle of country which was hit hard and took longer to recover. (People don’t realize that it took years for the middle of the country to recover and some industries never did. It’s part of what drove us to our 2016 reality more. Some of it was the accelerated decline of companies and industries like manufacturing that already took a hit in 2002 with China joining WTO). I went to a very good regional school where 80% of grads had jobs after graduation normally and in my class it was only around 20-30%. I didn’t realize until years later the impact of that. Most people went to be baristas or other part time or under employment for a few years or went to grad school. It changed their career trajectories for many, delayed some, raised student loans, etc. I was lucky to barely scrape up a real job but underpaid at $42k per year. Sadly in a declining industry I was laid off the year after as the company (American manufacturing) sank further over time as post recession impacts finally set in and debt got too high on balance sheet. My point is, this is a cycle that happens to every generation and the cohorts that come out of school every 8-10 years or so. So you can self pity and feel individually victimized or you can realize that this is the cycle of things and that nothing is as stable as we like to believe. There is so much risk and volatility in this world. In middle and upper class America we like to live divorced from that reality and teach our kids that bubble perspective but I do believe wisdom and maturity in part is understanding and embracing the reality of volatility in life, in the economy and for every generation. In other words, welcome to real life. Welcome to adulthood. Santa is sadly not real, and stability and predictability aren’t either. Hard lesson to learn but we all must at some point or another

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I am saying all this to be kind and give you overall perspective which I think you’re gaining through this thread! I’m not trying to compete at all or say my times were harder - I was remarkably lucky in many ways. I’m trying to show you that almost everyone from every generation has a story and has lived through periods of immense volatility. I hope this question makes you want to hear the stories of other generations around you and learn about the disruptions they lived though. It really gives you appreciation for what others have gone trough and empathy. And makes you appreciate when times are prosperous so much more and not take that for granted or as the norm

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Please, I graduated in 2008...💅🏻

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2010 Undergrad and MBA 2020 Grad! The bloodbath feels the same or maybe I am just numb to it.

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Why are people in the comments so salty? I agree with OP. It’s hard to be so early in your career and think about being laid off esp bc we don’t have much savings. I feel you—it’s been very disruptive.

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Why is that sad? It’s reality? I work in advertising where layoffs generally happen once a quarter - recession or not. I learned the best way to deal with that is to plan ahead instead of panic all the time. It’s a great lesson to learn in life so that you don’t get in a jam where you’ve lost your income and all of a sudden can’t support yourself. I don’t have rich parents to bail me out and was raised in a paycheck to paycheck family who literally couldn’t do this. It was an important life lesson to learn. You can modify your expectations and accommodate challenges in life without saying “whoa is me, I got a job and life was good and then I lost it so I’m special” Move to a cheaper apartment/neighborhood, find other streams of income, cut back on spending until you get back to where you need to be and can upgrade again. Yes, life is hard sometimes but that’s life!

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Self pity is a stinky cologne, friend

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Tbh no one has had it easy as of late, not really a competition either

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THIS, Jesus Christ, why do we act like it’s a competition?!

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Plz lol. I'm class of 2019 and I feel extremely lucky I graduated a year earlier.

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Also. What makes you think class of 2020 will have jobs to choose from?

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OP, as a fellow 2019 grad I totally agree. It’s so hard working your ass off just to get situated, land amazing opportunities, and then have it all abruptly stop. Not to mention those that made bold financial moves to move to HCOL cities only to get laid off! That being said, we should feel lucky that we at least got a little taste of celebration unlike c/o 2020. Everyone else in the comments just wants their struggles to be louder, but we all go through it at some point, so I I feel ya!!

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I love you Associate 2 thank u for supporting me

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All of the mockery on this post is educating me on 2008 crisis which I clearly was too young to understand

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You really should read up on the impact on 2008 grads as a cohort. Read this long study a few years ago and it was FASCINATING. Quantified so many of the effects long term on people graduating then. Brought up things I had never thought of even though I went through it in my own cohort. Need to find the article but you could probably google something like “2008 financial crisis impact on long term salary and career millennials”. Great to learn how these periods of disruption impact generations. Will give you insight into how this one will impact yours although there will be differences

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our thoughts and prayers are with you 😒

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Oh let me play the smallest violin for you. I’ve been through the 2008 crash and just as I was getting somewhere this shit.

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Sorry I’m wallowing, that was rude of me

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I am going to go cry now

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It will be okay in the end. See you in 10 years when you are telling the class of 2029 about your stuggles during COVID....

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Talk to the class of 2008!

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Also, I meant literally talk to them. Seek out advice from those who have been through similar circumstances and survived.

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Most of the population has fears of job security and housing location concerns (e.g., whether to stay or move). Sure, those fears manifest differently based on your stage in life and they are serious and very real. They are also not quickly or easily resolved. When you find youself focusing on these fears too much, pivot to thinking about what you are greatful for. Sincerely, 2009 graduate

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Quit whining, suck it up and stop reading posts on LinkedIn. You’ll be alright.

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Omg didn’t realize I stirred the pot HARD

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OP. Even though I was like “Oh please”, hope you don’t take it personally. The point is everybody’s stressed and in a tough spot right now. When I was doing my military service back home and we were doing some tough training, and one guy comes and complains about how hard he had it, that ticked everybody off. I think that’s kind of what we have going on here. Let’s just be grateful we have jobs (at least for now) and power through. Once we’ve been past something as rough as this, we’ll come out stronger.

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We're in a pandemic. It's brutal for many many people for different reasons. Why do we need to rank who has or has had it the worst in the past? Op, please don't feel like your feelings aren't valid, they are! You still get to feel upset that things didn't turn out as expected - I imagine it feels like a betrayal of sorts and that's really tough. I also think gratitude can help - try to remind yourself of the positives too - you have a job where you can work from home, you're healthy etc. Going through similar things should be giving us compassion for the next generation, not making us feel the need to defend that we 'had it worse'

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Oh dear, this isn’t going the way OP had expected.

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I was not trying to say that my situation is harder than 2008 or ANYTHING like that. I truly cannot imagine how much harder it was back then when connecting digitally was significantly harder. I was simply trying to emulate how disruptive it is to be so early in your career and already worry so much about being laid off with such limited savings. Not everyone has mommy and daddy’s huge house/money to go to when they get laid off and can no longer live in a nice city apt

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I don’t really recall it being “significantly harder” to connect digitally back in 2008, but that may be my wifi privilege speaking.

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Well actually if you think about it class of 1940 was really fucked

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You know what you bring a good point, but Oof don’t get me started on class of 0. Imagine competing with Jesus.

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