CMV: being a "leftist" in consulting is a contradiction. I'm referring to the types who talk about dismantling capitalism and whatnot. I'm surprised at how many - at the least - surface level "leftists" there are at top firms. Hoping to hear from people who identify as such!

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Define "leftism"? Politics is a spectrum, you can care about social issues and fair taxation while also not hating capitalism.

Good examples of this are the Liberal Party of Canada, they are definitely not anti-capitalist but would be considered "leftist" by American standards.

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Tl;dr your understanding of politics isn't MECE plz fix

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I think of myself more as progressive than leftist.

I believe markets are very helpful and can be very efficient, BUT we need a better safety in the US. The magnitude of safety net I support probably raises eyebrows in the US. I want universal basic income or universal benefits (including comprehensive healthcare). I want college to be affordable for all. None of these preclude capitalism from doing its thing. I just don't think government is inherently bad.

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Not sure I agree. I see UBI as a stopgap. First we need to make sure people have food, clothing, shelter, transportation, communication, and other basic necessities for dignity. This should be done in parallel with healthcare. I think UBI is probably the most efficient way to address basic needs, but I'm not expert here, it's just a hunch. Then we start overhauling broken systems like healthcare and education. Those are the real stretch goals in my mind. It takes actual change, not just funding. We essentially did UBI during COVID; it's really not that hard.

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OP literally memed himself/herself. What a 🤡

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Your daily reminder that, despite what the GOP says, an overwhelming majority of democrats/liberals are anti-Marxism.

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M3 making my point for me expertly

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I’m more shocked at the Stanning for corporations and “free markets” by people who’ve seen the inside of them.

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But it is all relative. Thomas Sowell said he was liberal until he worked for government and found the inefficiency.

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Being a conservative in consulting is a contradiction. I’m referring to the types who talk about how elites are bad for the country and how business leaders are part of pedophile cannibalistic satan cults. All the while working to make these elites richer and even more powerful.

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For me there is ideology - a world you envisioned and there is reality - a world you live in. We are all trying to balance and walk the line between the two. We live our life so we can help shape the world more towards our ideal world. Like I care about environmental issues and I try my best to reduce plastic, but I don’t kill myself for occasionally buying bottled water or think that would disqualify me from advocating for environmental issues.

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Paraphrasing a line from a podcast I heard, "as I board with first class, I always lift up my fist and shout,' the people control the means of production'"

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I consider myself quite left. I’d say aspirationally I’d like the US to have a system something like the nordics with much higher safety nets, more public systems (education, healthcare, unions, housing) and higher public ownership (like a sovereign wealth fund).

But I also realize we are a WAYS from that so in the meantime I make do in our current system).

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C1 - I disagree. Planned economy (as opposed to a free market economy) is a cornerstone of a socialism, and has been the modus operandi in all socialist countries throughout history. Agree that market economies can in principle exist without free capital markets, but in practice that’s not feasible nowadays. In any case capital markets and the free flow of capital is fundamental to the Nordic economies.

True leftists (as you describe them) in America - and especially in Corporate America - are like vegans: obnoxiously loud, but rare. They’re so obnoxiously loud and overrepresented in online forums like this one that they appear more numerous than they actually are in reality.

There’s a reason why Bernie Sanders, downright milquetoast by standards of the European hard left, couldn’t win a Presidential primary in our center left party.

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I’m always surprised people think they have a say. They’re all money and power hungry.

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Read saving capitalism from the capitalists and you’ll see why there are what you inexpertly label “leftists” in senior roles

People have very different definitions of what capitalism means, and what the left means.

I think of a capitalist system as one where private property and private contracting rights are assumed by default. Government can place regulations, taxes and bans on specific activities within such a system, but generally needs to have some legitimate reason.

Seems like some people on the far left and far right define capitalism to mean those same rights are absolute, and use that either to denigrate capitalism or denigrate all government. Both are dumb.

Would probably agree to that definition. It should be rather broad and focus on privatization. From there the nuances come in on the degree of regulation (Laissez faire, Nordic/Rhine model, etc). However, I would argue the far right and left are concerned with topics focused on the regulated markets. E.g. no one is arguing about where you get your vegetables and fruits from, but for some reason crop farms (corn, wheat, barely, etc) and meat products are such a big conversation due to the regulations (for the right) and the monopolies (for the left).

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