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You can be anti-abortion and choose not to get an abortion if you want. Do what you want with your life!
But if you try to make it illegal for me to get one, then we have issues. What a useless post lol.
Yes, this! I am pro-life personally (for myself) but pro-choice for policy!!!! The government should not have a say in this - period
Pro
This is a stupid post. And useless. Let’s care more about the 10 year old rape victim forced to keep the baby, than the white privileged tears of a Texan woman who wants to impose her beliefs on me to the point that it could throw me into jail, impact women of color and low income households disproportionately, and result in far more deaths and health issues than a proper healthy informed family planning / pro-choice policy. No. I don’t care about your friend. Does she care about me? Or the 10 year old girl? Or is she busy crying her woe is me tears because someone said something mean to her on a social app?
Yes it’s all Grey, not black and white. And legislating morality is not the answer. Ethics is needed to understand this.
Rising Star
Nope. They are responsible for what’s happened and we all have rights to express our views about them and their selfish, close-minded behavior.
It’s justified in my opinion, because as pro-choice, your views don’t impact other people’s bodies.
If you are a pro life, you are imposing your views on other peoples bodies. It’s pretty simple!
I have no issue with people who are pro life for themselves, and pro-choice for others .. Thus pro personal choice
I’m not Christian, and don’t need their views forced on me!
Pro
OP, your friend does not respect my right to choose what happens with my body? Why should I care about the hurt feelings of someone who does not respect me? You can’t work to violate someone’s body autonomy and then expect respect from them. That’s insane lol
OP - for what it’s worth both my mother and grandmother have had abortions. My mother had two between my sister and I. No woman should be forced to have a child she feels she is not ready for.. So you can say being pro-choice is also somewhat of a passion of mine. The fact that Soviet Union had a better understanding of the necessity for reproductive healthcare (because they actually wanted women to be equal members of society) is astonishing to me. I’m sorry your friends are getting insulted, but their views are what led us here. The fact that so many wonderful women are telling you the same thing - maybe have your friends read this thread. It may open their eyes a little.
Nope, not when they’re continuously pushing their views on the rest of us
I’m not pushing my views on anyone, OP. That’s the difference, they can think what they want and all I’m asking is for them to keep it to themselves. You’re starting a conversation in bad faith.
They don’t want to get an abortion? Great they can choose not to get one. But somehow they think they have the right to take others’ choice away. They have a right to do what they want with their body and I should have that same right
Rising Star
Their “choice” affects the choice of others though. That’s the key difference
It’s like saying, “I believe we should be nice to others but you should respect the choice of others to be jerks”
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“Pro-life” is such a misnomer here. It’s pro-choice or forced birth. The people who are against women having the choice to do what they want with their own bodies are not pro anything except controlling women’s bodies and forcing them to give birth. True “pro-life” would be people campaigning for better maternal and prenatal healthcare for everyone, federally-mandated maternity leave, quality childcare programs, nutrition, parenting support and resources for mothers and children. Most forced birthers are nowhere to be found once that baby is born. I mean for goodness sake, there’s a formula shortage in this country because we care more about profits than we do about babies or their lives.
Your friends did already change the world though. And conservative women were first in line to vilify Obamacare, whose provisions greatly reduced abortion, and to vote down Biden’s Build Back Better, which absolutely contained those family-friendly policies.
That is hypocrisy and crocodile tears while women, babies, and children suffer. So whatever. And I am a Christian who wouldn’t choose to get an abortion unless the fetus or I were in peril.
How many times have you been pregnant, OP?
Fragile WW tears lol. We don’t care.
When my medical decisions and life is on the line, and someone believes that I should be denied my rights to life and medical care… this is not a question of opinion. The same goes for when a ten year old is raped and cannot access medical care and abortion, ectopic pregnancies and missed miscarriages, which I have had, domestic abuse, poverty, etc.
You can have an opinion but working to actively deny me rights over my own body is beyond unforgivable in the 21st century.
no ❤️ pro-life is pro-universal healthcare, pro-social safety nets, pro-paid parental leave. Anti-abortion is pro-government overreach, anti-privacy, and pro-child abuse (see recent stories of children as young as 10 unable to get abortions i.e. child rape victims forced to carry children which is wildly dangerous). You can be anti-abortion by not getting one. You can’t decide that for others. If you think differently, you’re simply wrong
Pro
This. I hope OP recognizes it's not actually pro life, but anti-choice.
The impact of their beliefs stop where my uterus begins.
It’s no longer a productive discussion once a side takes action. For example, if my neighbor takes down a tree in my property then he shouldn’t expect me to be respectful when I go shout at him for what he’s done. Actions have consequences. Civility is often used to keep perpetrators from facing discomfort at their actions. I think it’s fine for people to begin having these conversations.
Pro
OP- Are you asking your friends why they care what someone chooses to do with their body in potentially life threatening situations?
No one is making them do anything they don't want to do.
Well said. I’m a Brit who’s lived in TX for 20yrs and have sadly witnesses all of the points you brought up unravel. Texas is marching back into the dark ages. Texas prides itself on being a “business friendly” state.
On the completely idiotic front, the Governor issued an order barring state officials from mandating mask wearing, and then the state sued schools who enforced masks when kids went back to school after lockdown.
“Texas sues six school districts that issued mask mandates in defiance of Gov. Greg Abbott’s order”
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/10/texas-school-mask-mandates-lawsuits/amp/
If your friends support the government forcing other women to give birth then they are garbage human beings, I don’t think they should be threatened but their opinions don’t deserve respect, hope this clears things up ❤️
I'm sure Hitler and his friends had redeeming qualities like cooking for their friends when in need.
Don't miss the larger picture here, Babe.
OP it doesn’t matter what discussion you and your friends had over brunch. At the end of the day they voted against providing help and assistance for women/mothers who need it, and they WILL keep voting for the politicians who are for taking away womens rights.
Wishing rape on your friend is unneeded, but people also don’t owe your friend the courtesy of ‘being nice’ because ironically and deliberately, her choice prevents others from exercising theirs.
Pro
Having someone wish rape on you is bad, but it’s much less horrible than being denied an abortion/medical care when you need it imo. As a rape survivor, I would never wish that on anyone, but it sounds like someone was (albeit nastily) illustrating the point that your friend would likely want choices if she were in such a position where she herself wanted or needed an abortion. I guess some people lack empathy and wouldn’t get it unless it happened to them.
Chief
Don’t fall for the “be nice” to the people who support taking away women’s reproductive rights and controlling women’s bodies. Setting women back in society, making them 2nd class citizens, taking away their power to make medicinal decisions over their bodies risking their health and lives, isn’t about having a “different view”. SPEAK your mind, resist!!’
I agree with you OP and all of these responses just further validate what you said. There is a lack of respect for differing opinions and beliefs.
It strikes me that everyone who has commented that they agree with OP is focusing on the emotion of those who disagree rather than the substance of WHY we disagree. I won’t speak for others but I have a hard time respecting those who aren’t at all interested in having a convo about why we disagree on its merits.
Pro
No. I don’t want to be friends with people who want to deny me basic human rights.
I know there have been a number of responses, and I'm not certain if the original poster is going to bother reading this..but here we go. OP, I understand that your issue is that someone wished a terrible thing to happen to your friend. Whether or not that person honestly wished it or not doesn't matter, which I get because I would also want to defend my friends.
This issue, however, is what if that person that hurled that insult had had it happen to them or someone they knew? What if they had been raped and had been forced to carry the child to term because of their upbringing and fear of being abandoned by friends and family alike? Disowned and ostracized? Take it a step further, what if this had happened when they were still a child?
If the same happened to your friends, would they still feel the same? It's very easy to hold a belief about something you know nothing about.
Your friends' opinions are more than just that now, they are beliefs that have now become law. Opinions are fine when having discussions, yes, but once they are literally forced upon others that is overstepping a boundary. People are rightfully upset because this is dangerous and will do more harm than good.
I am assuming that your friends are white and well-to-do, and if they aren't, my apologies. But if they are then their opinions may not take into consideration the current glaring issue that many POC women face when it comes to the lack of quality of care during pre-natal, pregnancy, childbirth, and after care. They are dying because of this, not because of some genetic disposition.
Let's also not get started on all the deaths from women having to get illegal abortions in the past. Bleeding out because of the insertion of a wire hanger that more than likely wasn't sterile. Dying because of infection or being beaten because the other party would not tolerate such a thing. Have your friends proposed solutions for those issues? To guarantee extra funding for federal assistance to ensure children that do not have the privilege of being born into a moderate to high income family get proper meals, clothing, and housing?
That their quality of care will be guaranteed and hospital bills funded and forgiven? What about therapy and mental wellbeing services for the mothers (child and adult) forced to give birth that have been raped, were made aware that their child was diagnosed with a terrible, painful illness and suffered the entire pregnancy, or had to give birth and watch their child pass away because their bodies could not sustain itself and grow properly but still had a "heartbeat"? What about more funding and recognition for post-partum? Or orphanages that are already full to capacity?
Do they have a solution to ensure that the children in the orphanages do not go hungry, will not be abused, and will be more than just another statistic because there is also a disproportionate about of POC children that get passed over and simply stay there until they age out of the state.
The issue is that sometimes people cannot see the whole picture outside of their own ideas. Are your friends willing to care for these girls and women and children? To donate both time and money to ensure that they become part of a solution to help with their opinions that have now become law? You can't care about "life" without actually carrying about all that goes into it.
The wealthy and those with connections are a smaller population to monitor than the public en masse. The gun argument posited also rests on a full concession of the rule of law
I’m totally for them having their point of view, even though I don’t agree with it, but they do not respect my point of view when they limit my rights because of their beliefs.
OP you really said “treat others like you want to be treated,” in admonishing people who have lost a basic human right because of people who think like your friend.
Have you reflected on anything based on the feedback you received here?
Pro
Hahahha ok if that's what your friends call pro-choice women, you need to dump them asap.
I know a place they can shove their "support" and "well wishes".