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Coronavirus... SARS... H1NI... what if China & the world just stopped eating meat altogether? Why can’t our species go beyond consumption of animals? It’s causing chaos! Or am I oversimplifying this?

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Meat is generally more nutritionally complete, healthier from a metabolic and macronutrient standpoint (i.e., lower postprandial insulin and glucose response), and is delicious.

We are higher on the food chain for a reason, and most animals preferentially eat meat when it’s available (even deer)—because it’s more nutrient dense.

Meat consumption is what allows our digestive system to be small (go compare to a gorilla or a cow—four stomachs!), so that we can divert space and energy consumption to our brain, and to enable endurance running (for hunting... meat!)

Sure, you can get similar levels of nutrients from plants, but you would have to eat a massive amount more in weight (go google how much a gorilla eats in pounds per day), deal with the negative effects of high carbohydrate intake and oxidation-prone polyunsaturated fatty acid intake, and then you’re still left with lower protein *quality* (amino acid profile) and lack of micronutrients (e.g., B12)

Show me an obese population of humans that eats primarily meat and animal foods (80%+ of calories). Go look at the Masai and Eskimo. Now go look at populations that eat lots plants (carbohydrates)—generally overweight, unhealthy, and experiencing diseases of modern man (heart disease, diabesity, extensive cancer, tooth decay, etc.)—a whole chapter in Sapiens is about agriculture—go read.

Just eat animals that eat plants. What do you think happens to the nutrients in the plants that e.g., a ruminant eats? Just be a second order vegetarian, you’ll be fine


Love the phrase “second order vegetarian”. Stealing for my own (carnivorous) use, thanks!


Sustainable meat consumption is good. The problem is China being an authoritarian regime that cares more about maintaining its public perception than having any quality standards and caring for the wellbeing of its people

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Yes, you’re oversimplifying to the point of disappointment.
Pls fix.


Must be a partner from Guidehouse


What if our species die of malnutrition then...


Matt Ridley is full of bull

Yes, you oversimplifying this.


Zoonotic diseases exist independent of human meat consumption.


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I’ll make it as simple as possible, but no simpler:

Because animals are delicious


The word is short on resources and people are suffering. What if we just make half the world population disappear? It’s causing chaos! Or am I oversimplifying this?



As a Brazilian I find this offensive


A1 tread carefully. You already got them triggered, you don't want their brain to explode.


Also remember the e coli in romaine, so remember to exclude that too


You understand that the ecoli found “in” vegetables is actually due to contact with animal sh*t runoff, from what? Farming animals.... this comparison is disingenuous at best and egregiously incorrect at worst. Ecoli doesn’t exist “in” anything besides colons and their products (sh*t)


You are oversimplifying this. I’m all for cutting down on meat consumption and practicing sustainability as much as possible. However, there are plenty of people in this world who do not have the luxury of choosing to cut out meat consumption.


There are also plenty of meats and ways of cooking them. Next we will be hearing from you that computers have viruses and security threats and we therefore should stop using the internet and only use our devices offline rather than mitigating those issues.

Yes, Scott, you’re oversimplifying yet again.


They are so delicious.


Is it your hypothesis that if we stopped eating meat we’d stop getting these viral infections?

I can think of a lot of advantages to a meatless world. I suspect we’d like still keep getting flus and other viruses.


Also nature has limits on how many animals or can support. In some areas when a type of animal gets overpopulated disease can break out amkng those animals like CWD in deer.



Humans are omnivores. The reason we enjoy meat and vegetables is because we're supposed to. Now if you want to go 100% veggie no one's stopping you. Just stay the heck away from my steak, bacon, salmon, wings, and pork chops.


You work at McK?


Lettuce, cabbage, and spinach have all been great vehicles for e coli outbreaks in the last decade. Vegetables are just as if not more dangerous.

Also, yes the world is eating too much meat. But there are also patches of land especially in developing countries where the easiest thing to grow is grass for cows to graze on. Not all land is created equal(ly fertile).

So yeah you're oversimplifying this.


Stop eating bats and snakes. Or at least cook it. Meat is fine.


As part of the evolution its very common that when a population of a particularly species grows too big some (usually the weakest) gets wiped out from a disease...


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