Currently trying to leave a firm. I’m about 6 months into being a first year attorney but have been at the firm as a clerk for 1.5 years.

I’m trying to leave because the head partner, who runs the place (Small firm) is terrible and does some unethical practices that would surely open him up to a malpractice suit. Also I’m treated very much like a clerk still and am constantly asking for more work.

How do I communicate my desire to leave to new employers without bashing the firm?

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Talk about the "pull" not the "push" That is to say, focus on what is attractive at the new place, not what is making you want to leave.

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This is great advice.

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Why would you communicate your desire to leave without a job lined up? Get a new job, get an offer letter in hand with a start date and clear conflicts checks, and put in your 2 weeks notice then. There’s no need to rock the boat by letting the firm know you want to leave unless you’re leaving in the next 2 weeks.

Unless you mean you’re being asked in interviews by other firms why you’re leaving. In that case, just say you love your firm and you’ve been there for ___ years and are looking for a fresh challenge and to grow. Nobody expects you to be honest about why you’re leaving, and they’ll hold it against you if you do

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My post may have been written ineffectively. How do I communicate to recruiters/employers?

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Are you looking to change practice areas or anything substantially different? Ask yourself, what do I want in my next job, then let that lead your answer instead of talking about what you’re leaving behind.

When my current job asked me why I was leaving I told them “I’ve been an attorney now for 5 years and I’m in the prime of my career. My last role didn’t help me increase my legal skills. The duties were more in line with a social worker.” You can figure out how to say what you want out of your next job, but starting the sentence with stating your value and what you want will come off powerful. You don’t even have to mention your old firm.

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I left for similar reasons and told employers I wanted to work on larger and more complex matters. Also talked about wanting to go somewhere that gave me opportunities for growth. Every potential employer already knows you want to leave by the mere fact that you’re applying. The best thing to do is be forward-looking and positive about your next step.

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You could even lead with, “my goal is to become an expert in X area of law within the next 2-4 years. I’m looking for the right firm to help me achieve my goal.”

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I’ve tried saying I’m looking for more work to gain more hands on experience because the firm is slow. But I don’t think that’s working. Any thoughts?

Lots of options! Tell them you’re looking for an role that provides more opportunities for professional growth, better benefits, practice area change, location change, or just totally punt it and say “I’ve heard such great things about your firm that when I saw there was an opening, I just had to apply.” Just fib a little - good luck!

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