Do all product managers here directly work on a team with engineers and collaborate with them (standups, planning, backlog grooming, etc)? If not, what’s your title? I’ve been asking folks and some say you have to, while others say some IC/principal roles don’t necessarily work directly but with other product teams who do (same as a group PM in some cases). Thoughts?

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Principal PM here. I work with 2 engineering teams and I do all that you mentioned as well as definitely the strategy and vision.

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I am a technical PM. So I have always worked with engineering. However, as I have grown I have ensured that I continue to do so as they are more willing to help me with prototyping new ideas or getting involved in tricky customer conversations which I know I won't be able to handle on my own. So I look at it as relationship/credibility building. The way each pm operates is different. I know pms at my level who don't work with engineering as closely despite being technical pms and I know pms who get really into the weeds.
My career path is pretty straightforward. It is to either move to director in the same area or switch domains.

The difference between the principal and sr pm at my org is that I have a lot more strategy work now. I still do a lot of execution as the pm team I am on is very small. They aren't responsible for driving alignment around the strategy and vision which is something my manager and I are responsible for.

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When I was a Sr PM, I was focused on VOC research, partner relationships and roadmap planning. I had a Product Owner who was involved in the details with the scrum team. Sometimes I would be a guest in a standup and I always attended sprint reviews, but I didn’t lead them.

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I manage 3 products, for 2 I have juniors who I manage and they work on executing the grooming and planning for sprints with the engineers, for the last one, I primarily work with an engineering manager who then works with the engineers directly.

Depends I guess on the product, culture and vision

Nope I do user discovery for several different product teams because they’re understaffed.haven’t attended one standup with engineering in 2 months I’ve been here. I’m an APM by leveling/compensation and sort of suspect I’ve been bait and switched but honestly because comp is good and I have the PM title I’m fine with it for now

Yes, I oversee a dev team supporting our digital products and am involved in weekly sprint planning and backlog reviews. I created my role as a way to interface between marketing and IT before projects get activated and as business priorities shift to ensure projects hit the pipeline with sufficient technical discovery and marketing partnership and can be the business lead to ensure my dev team has clarity and proper resources. But I created my own role, so I can’t speak to how typical it is…

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