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Do you think administrators should have a set minimum of years of classroom teaching experience?

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I don't think a set number of years in a classroom automatically makes a better admin but I can say it is difficult when you have been teaching in a special education classroom for decades and have an administrator who never taught special education or did for a very short time evaluate how you're doing in your classroom. I had one count off on my evaluation one year because two boys were talking about their weekend while they were doing their lab. Mind you, I had these two in Jr. High before we both moved to the HS and they never did squat. I had worked with them all year to get them to participate and finally made them Lab partners because then no one else did the work for them and they started actually doing it together. They were working. But she focused on the fact they were talking while they were working. (AND she and her assistant spent a great deal of time in their offices sitting around and talking which made me even more frustrated with her comments). I definitely get the frustration of administrators not understanding what a special education classroom is like and what it's like for a seasoned special educator being judged by an admin who has never done what they do and doesn't have half the experience trying to tell us how to do our job.

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In New York and New Jersey, you have to have a minimum number of graduate level credits in a state ed department -curated set of educational leadership courses. This set of courses pretty much amounts to an ed leadership degree. All the universities I know that offer these degrees require at least five years of teaching experience for acceptance to their ed leadership program. So, you can’t even get certified as an administrator without five years of teaching. That said, when I took my first administrative position, I worked with two other administrators at my level (assistant principal level). Because I had ten years of classroom teaching experience and the other two barely had what amounted to five years of experience in an educational setting (one had taught orchestra to adults for two of those years and the other had spent most of her years in schools coordinating special ed services) the classroom teachers were far more open to my leadership and openly told me it was because they knew I’d “been there.” I don’t think it’s a good idea to aspire to an administrative position without at least 5-7 years of teaching, but I’d recommend more like 7-10.

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Yes! Not only should they have a certain number of years teaching experience (I’d say 5 years minimum), I think once they become administrators, they should be required to go back into the classroom every 5 years for at least semester so that they don’t forget what teachers go through on the daily. It seems like most admin completely forget what it’s like in the classroom after transitioning into an office.

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... particularly during/after the pandemic- they now appear completely out -if-touch!

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Absolutely. They should also have some experience In a special education class.

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My Admin Program required a special ed policy and law class taught by a lawyer that specializes in Special Ed law

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Yes! At a lower grade level and a higher grade level so they understand the differences in those settings.

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In our district it’s 2 years. That’s it! They could have taught in kinder or PE and never a STAAR tested grade….

I feel that there should be a set minimum for administrators and then there should also be some teaching or time spent in the class as a teacher throughout their administrative career to help them remember what it was like to be in the classroom and they’re making decisions that I have a profound effect on the teachers and the students

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That should be a required yearly experience for them to spend a little time in a classroom teaching.

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Also, they should teach one class semi-regularly

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Yes. A minimum of six year in classroom. In the 7th year you can start Administrator Training.?

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I worked at a school were one of the VP was a used car salesman . He had no classroom experience at all 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

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Hey Used Car Salesman describes our Superintendent that just took over! He has NO clue!

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Experience in classroom may add knowledge but it does make a good Principle no more than number of years in a classroom determines the quality of a teacher.

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Both were required here in NY. Very helpful. Glad I had to take them.

In California you have to have 5 to get into an administrative program. Most people have more then that. I had 7 when I started. It was a two year program. Most people don’t become administrators right after they finish either. So they end up with even more classroom experience.

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I’m in CA & the fact that both my incoming administrators have no classroom teaching experience & one of those two just barely got an administrative credential (no teaching credential), I’m going to say that is no longer the case.

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University of Phoenix had an ad that used to drive me nuts. A woman talked about going back and getting her education to become a teacher and she loved it so much that she decided to become a principal - halfway through her first year of teaching. (Premise being all of her education came from University of Phoenix) Obviously a made up story for an ad but the amount of hostility I felt towards her...

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Satellite Universities... gotta luv em'!!!! "We'll give you A's, you give us your $$$$!!!" With out the money, they (Satellite U's) don't survive and make the $$$ they do.

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I think admin could be the same as a teacher-some teachers are "born teachers" and are excellent from the start. Others take a while to really perfect their craft. However, I know of a counselor who never taught, became admin, and was AWFUL. I think having NO teaching experience can definitely be an issue. A counselor's perspective is definitely not the same as a teacher's perspective. But someone else may have experienced something completely opposite. I personally would want an admin who had some time in the classroom.

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No, nothing’s required other than political influence here in Jersey... not even Average cognition.

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That’s funny :-D I’m from Jersey. These are the actual requirements for a Principal Certificate in NJ: https://www.teaching-certification.com/teaching/new-jersey-principal-certification.html You now need a principal certificate even to become a subject-area supervisor. The Supervisory Certificate, which was so much easier to obtain, seems to hold little value now.

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Five years teaching experience minimum!

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Yes I do! Too many administrators have not been in the classroom very long and have not had the true experience of what teachers deal with on a daily basis. Also, if you teach HS or middle school, you should not be an elementary principal. They have no idea about the lower elementary grades.

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True, true and true!!! They have to constantly be told-these are elementary kids. It blows my mind away that they think what works with older kids will work with little kids. It is a frustrating experience!

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I think administrators should have to go in the classroom and teach for two weeks each year as part of Pd assignment and be evaluated on

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This right here ☝🏽

Based on this year, where their years of experiences were less relevant and not applicable, it may not matter. If the future provides us with an increase in ubiquitous technology and other constantly changing paradigms, I hesitate to say. Perhaps different skill sets might be needed.

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I agree, principals should have taught for at least 7 years AND they should have taught at the level where they become a principal AND they should continue to teach, even if it’s just an occasional lesson. The best principal I ever had taught her own section daily all year. However I would ALSO say that a COUNSELOR should have taught in the classroom as well, we had one once that came from private practice. She was constantly at our doors to talk to us, interrupting our teaching, mostly because she didn’t get it, but also because she refused to use email to share what we needed to know about a particular student.

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Ours do. They have to teach for 3 years. I think it should be at least 5!

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Also they should be required to fill in as a sub during the school year in their buildings.

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Yes!! I've seen too many administrators with under 5 years in one classroom that don't really understand what we do.

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soo true

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By the same token, how is it so commonplace for school boards to be run by individuals who have NO background or training in education? 🤔🤔

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Physicians are regulated by the AMA ( composed of fellow physicians) and attorneys by the BAR ( fellow attorneys). Educators are responsible to members of an elected Bd. of Education. In New Jersey there’s not even a requirement for board members be literate, only that they reside in the town/city. Sadly, I don’t believe that Jersey is unique. Professionals regulate themselves.

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