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AT&T Hi All . Can anyone help me choose between AT & T and Thomson Reuters. Salary is similar. Position is senior software engineer. I am more concerned about the work culture and learning and looking for long time stay in the company. Which company has better work? Please suggest with reason. Please help. Thanks.
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MBA absolutely worth it... two of the best years of my life AND it counts as a positive step forward career-wise? Who wouldn’t do that again in a heartbeat.
K2, I mean international students who get jobs in the US. The comp growth is insane. For international students who choose to leave, the comp figures I have heard are also quite high
A lot of people here assume that the plan is to exit or something.
The people that absolutely loved the work at MBB stayed there until Partner some even Senior Partner. The ones that aspired to become executives also stayed until Partner. And for these two MBB was 100% the best choice.
Now if you are looking for good pay and good wlb or simply love tech go to tech.
Don’t follow clout or prestige do what you like doing.
I had offers from FAANG and MBB and ultimately followed my mentors advice (they are both CEOs of $100M-$1B companies) and my heart: The world is moving into tech but tech is not a skill, nor is it super specialized knowledge (the business side of it) and it is constantly changing.
Was a stupid decision on my part to take BCG over Amazon in b school.
Nearly 2 years out of business school and all of my consulting friends (all MBB/T2) are very over consulting and super ready to change and do something else. Some wish they never did it and were more thoughtful in thinking about what they wanted to do vs getting caught up in the consulting hype. All my friends in tech are very happy and work way better hours. Certainly learned a lot in consulting, but if you know what industry you want to do in the long run, skip consulting and go do it directly.
If the end goal is to go into tech, absolutely no point in doing consulting.
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Lots of questions - I’ll try to address them all
For context, I worked in a legacy tech company (think ibm, hp) out of undergrad. Tried pretty hard to organically sneak into PM roles through networking, boot camps, and building a portfolio of products pre b-school with no luck - the best I could do was product adjacent work at my company
In b-school, the only tech company that was hiring PM’s without prior experience was amazon. This has changed quite a bit in the last couple of years (notably facebook), but I had no luck getting PM interviews at tech companies I wanted to work for - the folks that got interviews either had an engg background from a top undergrad or product experience prior to b-school. So I went to BCG after b-school, and while my experience there wasn’t ‘life changing’, having it on my resume opened a lot of doors. I did however do some cool product type work with DV that I used to talk about in my interviews. Also, I learned python and some scripting languages but you certainly don’t need swe1 chops to crack the Google technical. All the questions are conceptual and you don’t actually code, so anyone motivated enough can learn it in a month or two. The product design rounds will make or break your case for PM at most places.
Is the better question not “is the MBA even worth it now”? 😉😉
Don’t understand why people go to MBA to go to MBB to exit into FAANG. Why?!
Why not go straight from MBA to FAANG or do a boot camp and get into FAANG?
Way faster and cheaper without the debt and the burn
The boot camp exits to FANG I've seen were people who already had phds and were transitioning to data science or similar.
I'm sure they're are folks who have done it without that profile but I can't recall seeing anyone do it.
MBA yes. MBB mostly yes but if you are good enough to get to tech directly. Then go. Your MBB colleagues will be thirsting for the same jobs in 2 years.
If all of you really want to get into tech rather than consulting, why not just become SWEs? I mean, it’s more respected to be a SWE at a tech co. anyway (vs. PM), it pays more, and there are more roles. What’s the point to even going and spending $200k on b school?
People just look at the top 1% if SWEs and assume their path will be the same
If I could go back 4 years, I’d go straight into Tech. If you know that’s where you want to end up, straight to it is the way.
Comp gap has closed. Lifestyle far better in Tech. And you’ll be accruing directly relevant industry experience from day 1 vs consulting where you can end up working in Insurance or Pharma or industrial services or, or, or…
Time in top tier consulting is far from wasted, but it’s nowhere near as compelling as it was 10+ years ago.
I think it adds value in certain roles that are more consulting adjacent (biz ops/Corp strat) but less value or potentially even negative value in others (pm).
There’s also tech industry knowledge(gtm/sales ops/pricing/etc.) that you can build in consulting too that’s incredibly helpful for a large segment of tech (B2B), but you typically have to be in certain west coast offices to get that kind of exposure.
Agree, no
100% no
If it’s any pm role, don’t think it’s worth it.
If it’s any other S&O/biz ops role I think there is value in doing a stint for the learning and greater access to exits, but only if you don’t have prior consulting experience.
If it’s other roles that are not the above (eg Apple ops, Amazon program management), then I’d say most of the time not worth it, better to start in tech.
If you want to be a pm yes. The tech/non-tech is an artificial distinction in my mind. The vast majority of pm jobs, while at tech companies and may require some tech knowledge to successfully work with engineers, will be non technical. Technical to me means a technical product that is built for developers (docker, aws, etc) in any event far less mba/biz type people interested in this. Even then still possible to learn the field.
If you want to end in tech... just go to tech right out of b-schoolb🤷🏼♂️
Also wondered that... I think the traditional consulting “lifestyle” might be attractive to certain people vs the IB grind.
Depends on your goal
-If PM; BCG is isn’t really that helpful;
E.g., Better to join Google out of MBA and network / rotate into a PM role (will be difficult, but MBB won’t make it less so)
-If something like BizOps (central team); depends on your pre-MBA background.
E.g., If you already have MBB / other similar caliber exp. you could try to go straight (few roles with many hopefuls, so unlikely but still possible)…otherwise you’ll likely need to do your time to open that door.
Most of the points are kinda silly here. Tech comps looks great because their stock value has gone up considerably.
That's not how it works. You don't look at $100k (2021 value) rsu and say that was worth $100k in 2019. The present value(2019) of the stock was the price of the stock two years back.
In my case, my tech offer was 50k stock per year. Total money was bit lower in tech and slower progression. I just took bonus money and put it in tech ETF 2 years ago.
It's basic finance folks. I think you can make other arguments and I would prob agree(wlb, fulfillment, etc) but stock appreciation is a silly one.