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Yes it should and honestly it should be required to take all of the time.
The reason is as simple as it slightly levels the playing field between parents.
Yes and it also will make you a better long term employee if given the time to be present in your family's biggest time of need. Employers too strongly value the present and it's annoying.
I actually really like and appreciate the wording at Slalom. It's 8 weeks of "healing time" for the parent who gave birth to a child and 8 weeks of "bonding time" for each parent.
Boils down to 16 weeks for maternal leave and 8 weeks for parental leave, but I think it makes sense when it's framed that way.
I like that they separate it out, but the amount of time is garbage.
Yes. Parental leave is about bonding with baby. Both parents need to do that.
Pwc1 I feel medical leave and parental leave should be separate. Delivering a baby doesn’t mean becoming a mom and becoming a mom doesn’t mean delivering a baby. Not all moms nurse, but nursing is a form of bonding. Parental leave should be equal. Parents of any gender need to be able to bond with their child.
It should be equal so that employers don’t subconsciously view women as more of a cost liability than men when hiring.
Yes. Can you imagine if moms get more parental leave but for whatever reason the father is the only caretaker for the newborn and he only has a week (if that) because society doesn’t fit fatherhood and caretaker together?
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Also the father’s parental leave ultimately benefits the mother as well. I would’ve been beyond thrilled if my husband had anywhere near the amount of leave that I had. I needed the support, so we could’ve overlapped some, and then he could’ve taken some on his own after I went back to work. I don’t think he had any leave with either of our children (he took a few days of vacation around the birth), so I was on my own.
Parental leave should be equal.
Maternal leave being more than paternal leave provides a clear financial incentive for companies to discriminate against women. Simple as.
This.
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I think nobody should get any parental leave. Idk my companies policy
Also, don’t think it’s been said but your take is basically saying women shouldn’t be in the workforce if they want to have children. There’s no way for a woman to birth a child without getting leave. The baby basically needs the mother to survive and the mother needs to recover.
In addition to both parents needing the time to take care of the baby/bond as others have said, unequal leave would likely have unintended consequences to women’s advancement in the work place. The men I work with have taken their full leave, and I am so appreciative of that because I know when it comes time for me to do so, I won’t be subconsciously punished. Sets an equal tone all around.
Equal. GT is equal now. Yea! Previously they had longer leave for the “primary” parent which promotes the idea that there is a primary and secondary parent. Even if there is more medical need for the individual who birthes a baby, equal leave allows for a partner to be there to support. Parents have the same responsibily and should have the same opportunity to have that time.
Right. Only short sighted women would get mad about dads getting the same amount of leave. If you think about it more than a moment, you realize equal leave promotes the concept that dad should be more of an equal partner in childcare and isn't just supposed to be a secondary parent. Equal parental leave is very feminist.
This is a benefit. It’s no different than health insurance. I don’t care what anyone here thinks- it’s one of the benefits of my employment and I intend to use all of it. Suggesting otherwise is akin to suggesting I pay for more of my dental work out of pocket or return my bonus so that there is a bigger pie for the rest of my team. Part of my decision to work at PwC and to continue to work here is specifically because of this benefit. If it was somehow curtailed, I’d strongly consider leaving.
Those hung up on the “equality” piece- increasingly there are a lot of dual income couples out there. I am a man who took my full leave. It wasn’t about “time off” so much as it was about supporting my wife in her career and taking care of my family. Any other logic applied betrays a pretty strong bias about gender roles and careers. It’s also just dumb- see above about it being a benefit of employment.
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What if you aren't spouses?
Yes. Both parents need & deserve that time.
I think a lot of companies add short term disability to leave for moms (6-8 weeks depending on type of birth), so doesn’t make sense for dads to have that.
But I see no issue with having the rest of the leave be equal. Also at pwc, maternity leave starts two weeks before your due date, so that also makes sense for mom only.
Yes and it should be the same for adoptions.
I think there ought to be a medical/healing leave for the birth parent.
But I also think there ought to be much more parental leave than is common in the soon-to-be-3rd-world US, and it shouldn't be limited to white collar workers. If I ran things (and that won't happen any time soon), there would be a total of at least18 months parental/bonding leave between the two parents to allocate between them as they choose. Though each would have to take at least six months, preferably not overlapping. I think it would do many families a world of good if men had to be the primary caregiver for a decent chunk of time.
Yeah I think it should be equal if we trying to treat people equally. As a parent of two, I would say it’s enough work that having both people home helps keeps everyone sane. I also agree that you should be required to use it but you have to use it in the first year and you are free to use it as needed throughout the year. For example, for my second son I am using the 10weeks fully paid Parental Leave over the course of a year which results in my taking almost every Monday or Friday off for a year. This allows me to both support my family by being there mentally and physically while also accomplishing priorities at work and continuing to grow my career.
My wife’s company offers no parental leave but we have a state run program that pays partial salary for high she can take 5months of leave with job protection.
I’m going to say something controversial. It irks me when non-birthing parents game the system to take ≥ leave as the birth mother.
At EY the birth mother gets 2 weeks antepartum, 16 weeks parental leave + 3 weeks vacation (21 weeks).
I’ve seen men game the system by taking 3 weeks vacation when the baby is born (fair), then 16 weeks parental leave + 3 weeks vacation when baby is 3 months old or so. They’re actually taking more leave than the birth mother (!!). I just have a real issue with that. For the birth mother its a lot more than bonding time - there’s real medical healing to get through. Unpopular opinion, I know…
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They aren’t getting less leave though.
There are many benefits to extended breastfeeding for both baby and mother. While pumping and bottle feeding likely still give a lot of these benefits, the nurturing/skin-to-skin contact involved with breastfeeding should not be overlooked, especially with forming secure attachments:
“Children and adolescents who were breastfed as babies are less likely to be overweight or obese. Additionally, they perform better on intelligence tests and have higher school attendance. Breastfeeding is associated with higher income in adult life. Improving child development and reducing health costs results in economic gains for individual families as well as at the national level.(1)
Longer durations of breastfeeding also contribute to the health and well-being of mothers: it reduces the risk of ovarian and breast cancer and helps space pregnancies–exclusive breastfeeding of babies under 6 months has a hormonal effect which often induces a lack of menstruation. This is a natural (though not fail-safe) method of birth control known as the Lactation Amenorrhoea Method.”
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/infant-and-young-child-feeding
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Yes. It’s very inexpensive for a company to do this because they pull from unemployment insurance (or some similar mechanism I don’t know updated MO)
The point is worker retention. You can either give an employee an extra month of time off, or spend money recruiting, overpaying for a replacement, then spending years getting that employee trained up to corporate culture