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Hi everyone - ex-big law here (one year), and since then I have been at a boutique securities law firm out of NJ/NY. No billable requirements where I’m at and deal flow is decent enough (most weeks I’m billing 35/45 hours). They do not pay market. MSK (Mitchell Silberberg and Knupp) reached out to me and may be getting ready to make an offer after two rounds of interviews. Has anyone heard how their capital markets group is? Any tips or recommendations? Thanks!
Some do but not in the way you think. They know/think they're just "demanding" or dealing with bad clients. Others think associates are dumb. It's frustrating, as a new partner seeing that this is how folks operate.
I honestly can't say - I've more noticed that certain sets of partners that all work together, regardless of age, are either great to work for or terrible to work for.
Mentor
Idk. One terrible partner I work for tries so hard to be known as the cool guy and actually thinks he is. I can see him fighting himself when he gets temper tantrums like a little toddler, then complimenting the person he looses his temper at a few minutes later pretending all is good. I can’t tell if he knows we all hate him.
Sounds like my mom.
Coach
Yes and they think it’s the reason they’re successful.
Being demanding sometimes is. But that does not justify disrespectful behavior.
I’ve often heard it as ‘oh you kids have it so easy, my old partner was a real *sshole’ and they perpetuate the cycle of abuse because that’s all they know. It’s weird because even amongst millennial associates, they think Gen z juniors are too coddled. It’s like every generation needs to win the trauma Olympics and pat themselves on the back for being only marginally better than whoever came before them.
Yes. At my firm we review our supervisors (anonymously) so they are well aware that they are terrible. They don't care, or like P1 said, they think they're just "demanding" and the rest of us are soft or stupid.
Subject Expert
They definitely don’t think they’re terrible because you do. If they really are terrible, they almost certainly think you’re a temporary blip in their lives and not worth another thought. If they think about you at all.
Calm down, counsel.
the entire system is set up in a way that partners do not care what you think
https://medium.com/@ryannier/survival-techniques-for-midlevel-lawyers-aab7cc7be45e
I like your tips in your Medium article.
Most partners make know they’re terrible but make it a joke and some sort of hazing for juniors who join their teams
Yes, and he also knows that the partnership had taken polls before on how many votes are there to oust him.
Alas he has a few friends left, and bring in enough business to keep other lesser partners afloat, so there always a few votes short of 2/3 needed
I wonder if the terrible associates know that they are terrible?
If partners have terrible associates working for them it says more about their hiring practices than they realize
Subject Expert
Some of them def do and somehow they are proud of it.
Enthusiast
Very aware, as they know and have said none of the associates want to work with them and many that did in the past quit. Some after less than a year. I am trying to get away from them now.