Does any other attorney POC feel like they have to live double lives? I’m guilty of trying to “blend in” with my white team members. I wish I could be myself (at least to an extent) and not fake it.

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I feel the same way. But on the other hand, I don’t know if I trust or like my coworkers enough to let them into my life. I’ve always felt like the odd one out and I’ve just accepted it and focus now on meeting my own professional goals.

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I’m late to this convo but totally feel “seen” here. Until joining my current firm, I always had at least one other black woman colleague that I genuinely clicked with and I could at least be authentic with her. Now, I’m the only POC in the office and was the only woman attorney for 2 years. Working from home during this quarantine has at least saved me from awkward office mingling.

As Shareholder 1 states, most people have a “work persona”. It is very rare that you will keep it 100 at work. I started my own firm last year for many reasons including wanting to be “authentic”, but I only keep it 99.... Seriously, I encourage you to have a work persona that allows you to connect with people with whom you should connect to advance your career and people with whom you simply desire to connect. After you have laid the foundation for these connections, let them see how intelligent and competent you are. Then you can start to reveal more of your “true” self (perhaps more slowly depending upon your situation) and it will be easier because you will start to be seen as the competent, intelligent, likable you and less of so and so the black attorney.

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I'm a black corporate attorney in biglaw. I don't feel like I have to fake it. That said, I'm in a small group and I have been the only black person in the room since preschool.

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Thanks for sharing! I aspire to have your confidence. I have always been surrounded by other POCs (I grew up in Queens, NY and went to NYC colleges). Maybe that’s a big contributing factor.

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I dislike being the only POC in a room but I am always myself. That being said I am naturally quiet and keep to myself. When I speak I speak in my natural voice.

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This is complicated and an ongoing issue. It is a catch 22, people, internally and externally give work to people they know. If you do not develop relationships, it can be hard to progress. Also, in life the more ground you cede to people in a place you belong, the more control you give them over you and the place. Do you think the POC, secretaries and administrative staff in these Firms do not need your presence. No one brings all of themselves to work, everyone has a work persona, but there is enough to impart to others, without feeling vulnerable, but letting them get to know you. You would be surprised who watched “Black is King”, it was phenomenal.

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Yup. I keep getting feedback about being shy and stand offish. Which is almost comically the opposite of me. I am still trying to figure out how to be my real self without being my *real* self.

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Codeswitching at its best

I have felt this. One piece of advice I have received is to remain connected to grassroots/community organizations that remind you of your values. The stronger your internal value system is, the less likely you will actually lead a double life or "sell out."

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Any help?

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Do all these managers and partners actually like me, or are they just being extra nice because all the other seniors quit? 🤔🤔🤔

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(This absolutely happened so please don’t report and ban me)
I recently gave my two week notice and will be joining a good firm.
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I think there should be more males caretakers in this world. Some of my clients just feel more comfortable with a guy and it's kind of sad how often they say I'm the only male they could find.

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How much do your personal beliefs influence your work, and in what ways? For example, if you were a Bernie Bro, would you ever represent Trump or a Trump-endorsed/affiliated person/entity, and vice versa? Do you think you have an obligation to turn down work for a client whose beliefs you personally find repulsive? Or do you think your obligation is to set aside your personal beliefs and act in your client’s best interest regardless of how distasteful you may find them to be?

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People who brag about being exploited by their employers working 50-80 hours a week - why do you think it’s a cool flex? Isn’t it rather sad?

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Could someone please suggest how to handle this situation?
My manager (Technology Director) sees me as an emerging thread to his position and stopped sharing details / trying to avoid including me in visible projects etc.,
FYI - His manager is the division head and Managing Director.
Why I think my manager tries to move me out?
- I am 18 YOE with a technically strong background
- Upper mgmt is starting to identify me as the backup for all systems. My manager tries to move me out since then

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Does anyone have sound advice for dealing with nitpicking feedback from a skip-level manager? I'm all for constructive feedback but something tells me that this individual might be out for me. I've worked here for 5+ years, I'm good at what I do and I show interest in my work. The feedback I receive feels out of place.
Asking for a friend,

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We're all supposed to pool our tips but I'm pretty sure the waiters are keeping most of the money for themselves. I already told the manager and she kinda blew me off. Anyone else been through this?

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Have a crush on a senior manager (who’s straight & married) 😢

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Has anyone ever felt like some of the feedbacks you received is because you are Asian? Like i keep being told that I sound unsure, unconfident and not poised enough.. I've been told once that I didn't have enough presence on a call but.. I did the presentation so I talked 90% of the call..

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"You're great, but just a little too much personality to work on this client." Welp... 👋

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Hi y’all! Hope this is the right bowl to post this question and get advice. I am dealing with an employer that preaches our values. The owner states that the values are important to her etc yet my manager violates these values and is involved in unethical behavior frequently. Example 1: My manager has told specialists (resourcers) that she will pay them under the table in order for her (manager) to get full credit vs splitfor the placement and therefore (barely) hit her target for the quarter.

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I'm a recent hire and have extreme anxiety about doing my current job. I'm wondering what my options are. I'm currently seeing a psychiatrist as a follow-up to a brief in patient stay I had before starting this job. However I haven't mentioned anxiety or job problems to her. If I go on leave, what kind of documentation or therapy is required? How long would I stay out? What would I tell my boss and teammates?

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Have you experienced depression caused by working in really challenging workplace environments? I am worried this will carry into new roles.

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