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Does the amount of "Breakthrough Cases" rising among those fully vaccinated make anyone... wonder? Now there's a "Delta+" variant? Now they are saying "No vaccine is 100% effective so this is to be expected"? As if we're just suppose to shrug our shoulders after they have been pressuring everyone to get the vaccine? I'm fully vaxed but I can't help but wonder... this is what the Anti-Vaxers have been warning and saying the whole time and it's making me second guess which side I'm on...

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There should not be a “side”. This pandemic has been so mismanaged from the start! From the government lying about where it came from to treatments to vaccines!!! Clearly we’ve been lied to. Remember the President saying a few months ago that if you get the vaccine you won’t get COVID? Now they want booster shots. They knew they would need boosters. My husband’s vaccine card has 2 other spots with dates on it to come in for booster shots. He got vaccinated in February!!! I’ve recently heard of 3 people in 2 different states that died within 48 hours of getting vaccinated. How many of you when you got your vaccines were given a list of all the possible side effects, like you get when you pickup your prescriptions? By law they should be doing this. Sure you wait 15-20 minutes for immediate side effects, but what about long term? Maybe the vaccines work for some. But we also need to focus on treatments. It should not be if you get COVID go home and rest - if it gets worse go to the hospital. If we had a system where we used both vaccines and treatments not as many people would be hospitalized. The lack of education to the public about what to do if you get COVID is appalling. I think it is another reason people end up hospitalized and dead. It is very sad that in some states you can receive treatments like monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, zpak, steroids and hydroxichloriquin and in other states you get nothing until you are hospitalized. (Please note before you go off on a rant about these drugs - I had COVID took HCQ, after second dose I was feeling so much better!!! Took it for 5 days. Other family got it this summer- got ivermectin. It seemed to help a little. My thought is they should have dosed it according to the person’s weight. Might have got a better result. Both drugs have very few side effects, are cheap and have been around for a very long time.) How many of you actually know what this virus does? How many of you are aware of the micro clotting that can occur with this disease? How many of you have been told to get a pulse oximeter to measure you o2 if you get the virus? What about taking aspirin to prevent clots? Or that you need to get treatments early- before 10 days (or sooner) in order for them to be effective? It concerns me we are so focused on ONE way to treat this when we should be looking at a multi level approach. Just do yourself a favor and dig deeper into this topic. I try to read actual studies not rely on what the media says. We need to treat this as a disease- not a moral social problem. We need to stop guilting people and act with compassion. We need to stop living in fear and get on with our lives.

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I understand how vaccines work. I also understand the COVID survival rate among people my age, 99.99999%. I also understand that when science is mixed with politics, you get untruths, mixed truths, and corruption. When I see more evidence, outside of governmental physicians and scientists, that shows these vaccines are safe, not leaky, but effective at keeping me out of the hospital then I will consider it. Until then, I'll take my chances with a 99% survival rate, and anti-bodies that are 10 times more effective than the vax. There is something rotten when the federal government, mainstream media, and the like, are attempting to stop, silence, and or slow the use of therapeutics, of which, many in the medical world are proving to keep people of all ages out of the hospital. The therapeutic drug big pharma is rolling out now claims to do what hydroxychloroquine and human doses of ivermectin are doing. However, instead of it costing you 7 bucks a pill, you'll pay $700.00 a pop. No red flags there, right?!?!? Nothing to see there right??? #willnotcomply

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IHS1 and TMS1- You are pathetic. Question: Are the two of you ok? 🤦🏼‍♂️

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Facts: no vaccine is 100% effective, the vaccine loses its effectiveness as time goes on (those who got their second shot in January had 91% immunity then, and are down to 65%-ish now, for example), and this is just how vaccines work Also facts: those who refuse to get the vaccine are keeping the virus around and allowing it to mutate into new variants

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An analogy: A vaccine is like an umbrella in a rainstorm. It protects you from getting wet, not perfectly, because I’ve never had an umbrella that didn’t have some holes where the frame rubs against the fabric or had limited coverage because it was too small. And what happens when people go indoors with that umbrella- they shake it out and others get wet. That’s the transmission by vaccinated folks. Now picture the rain is not falling vertically like normal, but is whipped around almost horizontally because of a windstorm or hurricane or whatever. That’s your delta variant. It can snatch the umbrella right out of your hand, turn it inside out, maybe not, but you’re gonna get wet. That’s the breakthrough infection. People without that umbrella are gonna get wet, practically drowning in that level of rainstorm, maybe even classifiable as a tsunami! What did our mothers tell us when it was raining? Put on that raincoat, take an umbrella with you, protect yourself or you’ll get sick. Many times, getting sick didn’t happen, but does that mean we go dancing in the rain unprotected?

I'm also fully vaccinated, but I don't think I'll be taking any boosters at this point. As a healthy 30 year old who may have already had covid in January 2020, my benefits and help to others are sort of maxed out.

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Thank you for getting vaccinated and mentioning helping others.

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I mean, we have several vaccines that require boosters...Pregnant women are recommended to get the TDAP during EVERY pregnancy, even if the pregnancies are only a year or two apart. The amount of antibodies decreases over time. Why would you be listening to the people who are most likely to die from this virus now and instead of a proven vaccine, they choose animal dewormer from the local feed store?

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There’s no “now they are saying”. The medical field and scientists have always said the vaccine will help keep you from being hospitalized and we have always been concerned about mutations/variants. Variants continue to be even more of a danger. As more and more people get infected the more chance for a dangerous mutation. That is why informed people are so concerned about people not taking precautions and allowing spread like it’s no big deal.

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Chief MES1 - Why do you keep saying "anecdotal info is worthless" when you shared your personal anecdote about your failing eyesight due to HCQ? And I think personal testimony is VERY RELEVANT because there is truth in these stories. What else is the data based on if not a collection of individual experiences?

Do your math. 90% means 1 out of 10 may suffer breakthrough. Then consider how much breakthrough you have legitimately heard about, not rumors. Then ask/research what kind of symptoms the person had. Virtually zero of the breakthrough cases go to the hospital, or are more serious than a MILD case of the flu. IF you do get infected (10% chance, folks) you will not be hospitalized, and you will not die. Sounds like favorable odds to me.

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The last numbers I saw were less than 5 percent of hospitalized cases were vaccinated. That may be just my state, but it was on the website for PA.

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No vaccine for ANYTHING is 100% effective. Vaccinations prevent or lessen the effects of the virus. A new flu shot comes out every year to combat new variants of influenza. When a virus mutates it becomes less resistant to the current vaccine. I have had influenza a few times in the past, twice before I started getting a yearly vaccination for it. It took me over a week each time to recover and I was really sick. I had it once after being vaccinated. 3 days and I felt better with less severe symptoms. THAT’S THE POINT OF A VACCINE. I don’t have any idea what your point is though.

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Anyone with half a brain is wondering. There is a reason that vaccination rates are so low among people with Ph.Ds

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I have heard reputable doctors say that breakthrough cases are not the people being hospitalized. The unvaccinated are being affected and still dying from COVID. We reduce our risk of the serious complications by getting vaccinated. I don’t like mandates though. We have opted our son out of HPV vaccines every year since he was eligible. My spouse and his pediatrician persuaded me to get him vaccinated for COVID. Dr. Said the long term complications of COVID were more prevalent than the reported side effects of the vaccine. He said he was telling me what he told his own sister and that his sons got vaccinated too. I trust my doctor. It was a tough choice. I see how the kids don’t actually wear their masks at my high school. And they mostly wear the ineffective cloth masks anyway. Only a few students are protected with KN95. I know my son is being exposed over and over at school during lunch. I can’t stop working to homeschool him because I also have a college student. These are tough choices for everyone. We should be more respectful of people’s choices even in light of this pandemic.

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I’ll gladly keep getting jabbed so I don’t get seriously ill!!!

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Not always. I know a few that were hospitalized and had no chronic or immunity issues. One friend was unvaccinated, all but died, no known conditions at all. She is pregnant, just got home. I'm not sure if the pregnancy was what stopped her getting the vaccine, but she was deathly sick with pneumonia and had to be vented.

This is the 1st time we have EVER "vaccinated" (in quotes because not a true vaccine) in the middle of a pandemic with an emergent virus, this is why we are getting variants. The virus will mutate in order to continue infecting. Us throwing up road blocks to it spreading drives the mutations. It is not the unvaccinated, but rather the vaccinated that drive them, and don't come at me--I'm one of the vaccintated.

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Come on….you didn’t die bc you were vaccinated ! That’s what was the initial claim, nothing more!

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It’s a mute point to try and convince someone to get the vaxx if they’re against it. This is a public health crisis- all over the world, no just the US, not just one state, not just one person! Leaders look at what will helpful to the whole versus me, me, me. I hope we see even more vaccine mandates soon. Looks like it’s coming.

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No vaccine is 100% effective. We also need to remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day. The vaccines that we’ve had for many , many years took work to get the efficacy that we now have. Doctors/medical researchers are learn new things every day. What may have been true yesterday, may not be today. I choose to listen to competent medical professionals versus politicians, talk show & radio hosts or people who are anti-vaxxers.

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Birth control isn’t 100% either but we still use it 😂🤔.

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I am severely worried about a zombie apocalypse based on this pandemic PES1

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This is the first time EVER that an mRNA vaccine has been injected into humans. So y’all can say what you want and post your links but the bottom line is NOBODY knows. There are no “facts” about results or side effects (short or long term) because there were no studies done. You are the study.

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Let’s be real. Every single vaccine and antibiotic was new once upon a time. Penicillin was new at one point and wasn’t available to the public first but the military during the war. Two things are different from those times and now: they didn’t have social media where people could freely tell/pass on lies, and they respected/trusted science. It’s been a century since we had to deal with a pandemic. We have become complacent because we haven’t had to pull together as a population as happened back then. And yet we are, judging by the number of people getting the vaccine. More than 6 billion people have been vaccinated, over 2 billion fully vaccinated. That a lot of data sources. Do you honestly think that if the vaccine was harmful, it would remain hidden among 6 Billion people? Or even the 2 Billion fully vaccinated people?

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Anti-Vaxers are wrong. You could still contract Covid after getting the vaccine, in the event you do get it the effects are less severe and your chances of dying or becoming deathly sick are less likely to happen. In our district 6th graders and 12th graders have to get certain shots. If they don’t get the shots they cannot attend school. They are actually sent home. No one questions this or if they do it does not matter. So why not with the Covid shot? I have had Covid and ended up in the hospital. If you are unvaccinated those of us that are vaccinated can get Covid from you. That is what’s happening now and it’s the young people suffering the brunt of this terrible choice of not getting vaccinated as well as the mutations of Mu and Delta spread.

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Nevada, it’s a fair point because whether someone gets the Covid vaccine or not doesn’t affect me in any way. The only way it could is that an unvaccinated person would likely have more severe symptoms and take up a spot in the hospital. Guess what? The same is true of obese. Obese people are far more likely to experience extreme symptoms from Covid. I saw one study that said 85% of those hospitalized with Covid were considered overweight or obese but I can’t find that study now. Either way it’s clear that I’ll bees people will be taking up more hospital beds if they get Covid so if one chooses to not be vaccinated or one to the lifestyle that makes it one obese either way those choices lead to taking up hospital beds. That’s really the only way it’ll affect me since unvaccinated people don’t pose a threat to me anymore than vaccinated.

Wrong, I contracted Covid a couple of months ago and had very mild symptoms even though I’m considered high risk due to underlying health conditions. I’m so grateful for the vaccine . I watched Three family members die from Covid because they refused to get vaccinated

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I should say early treatments

I am vaccinated with Johnson and Johnson authorized by my school district. However I feel that school days should be 3 to 4 days out of a week until Congress learns more about COVID 19 and the mutants. I am scared bc right now Admins are having teachers and children to be quarantined. Each day 10 or more desks are empty whereas at the start of schools they were occupied the classroom filled to capacity. It’s like working in Twilight Zone.

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Do you think tetanus shots are a hoax just because they tell you that one shot you got 30 years ago won't do the trick if you step on a rusty nail?

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You should probably ask your doctor

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I believe that the goal of the vaccine is to minimize acute symptoms in individuals, mitigate spread, and eliminate overrun hospitals including associated cost. ???

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The key point to take is "Don't trust anyone you don't personally know". There have been leaders (presidents and other government officials) who I have really liked in the past. I thought they would do a great job. But I never trusted them. At the end of the day, they are still a government entity. Governments need to convince their people they are necessary so they will lie to get what they need. When things are really bad, they will lie to get what they want. Do what you feel is right for you and your family. If you have doubts, talk to a medical professional who you know and who knows you. Never put your trust in government.

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