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Does your school have a hat/hood rule?? I just don’t really see the point. I do not care at all if a student wants to wear a hat or feels inclined to put their hood up. What are everyone else’s thoughts? Should I care about this? I feel like I have bigger fish to fry this year!

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As a professional and a gentleman, I believe in the maintenance of standards for conduct and dress. As a product of American culture and being a member of a society framed by western values, I subscribe to gentlemen removing head wear when entering a home or building. I expect our students to be held to the same standards in a school which is by all honest assessment should be considered a professional setting. Secondly, are considerable issues of safety to consider in this contemporary world regarding a hoodie or hat being worn indoors. You may say it is no big thing, but sadly the erosion of values, standards, and etiquette is also linked to the erosion of a polite and lawful society. This erosion of values and standards for conduct and lawfulness are always linked to the dismissal of small issues. The more one dismisses as meaningless, the more one justifies yet other excuses for conduct and lawfulness. This is why the social contract is indeed in danger of falling apart and why so many people today excuse slovenly and lawless choices.

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NYES1, I also see a problem with a discriminatory policy. Although, I think that I have a larger concern with the lack of common sense of someone who doesn’t see a problem with it.

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We were just discussing this at lunch, but a for the reason that certain students try to hide from being seen in the classroom. Only a few students are continuously doing this, and we want them to know we see them, and they can't hide from life by just pulling a hood up. His sister does it because she wants to be just like him and hates her hair when she doesn't brush it or her mom styles it a way the she doesn't like or not at all that day, most days she confesses it's because she waited too long to get up out of bed.
Other kids are hiding earbuds and such and trying to check out of assignments and listening. All valid reasons to have them slide their hood down while in the building. Most apologize forgetting the hood is even up after they get off the bus or walk to school and it's no big issue around here, but it is a policy, like taking off your hat in the building, that's more of an issue with only a couple students who are new to our school and trying to make a name for themselves. They don't want to listen to a few of our rules that we do enforce in our building for dress code that their old school didn't enforce.

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Hoods are a security risk when kids are wearing masks as well.
Hats can be as well.
When a district has a policy and teachers on a campus do not all adhere to that policy, it destroys the legitimacy and destabilizes the environment. Consistency is always better.
Someone mentioned the hood thing coming from racism. Utterly ridiculous. When I was in Jr high and high school back in the 70s and 80s the policy was the same. Assuming it comes from "racism" is ludicrous when people of all melanin content and genders wear hoodies.
All of that said, I do feel that many dress code policies are too restrictive. While I'm not a fan, I support them on my campus because they're policy.

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I agree wholeheartedly. Thank you.

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I don’t report a single dress code violation unless a student were to show up naked. The hoodie rule is steeped in racism.

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NHS1, correct. Race is a social construct - pseudoscience. Unfortunately not all know this.

I let them wear it outside, but when we are inside the building, all dress code is followed. I can't get onto a kid about being able to see his boxers through the holes in is pants, or a girl who decides she wants to walk around barefoot, and not get into a kid with a hat or a hoodie on. I tell the kids the dress code is to help them start practicing for work in the future, and I discuss the uniform and dress code policies at places of employment like local factories, and businesses like McDonald's and Walmart. If you break dress code, you get sent home without pay. Practice while in middle school and high school, so that way you are prepared for that first job.

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Some of us elderly teachers remember when it was a sign of respect to remove your hats when entering a building. That was the appropriate thing to do.

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The issue with hats and hoods will eventually come down to safely concerns. If there is someone on campus that should not be, is trying to hid themselves, or has an incident on school grounds it is much harder to identify them if they are wearing hats or hoods.

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Yup. I didn't realize how much of a safety issue it was until we could not find one of our students.

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It has long been a sign of disrespect to wear a hat inside the building. I enforce it.

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Students are intelligent and can learn where it is and is not appropriate to wear a hat/hood. I have a couple that frequently liked to put them up in the building and, with consistency, they have nearly broken the habit. If we do not teach them to follow even the simplest of rules, how are we to expect them to treat simlpe rules as they grow older.

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Public schools were initially started to teach our children basic skills that would help them to become better citizens. This includes manners and appropriate behaviors. "I believe that following rules would fall under those." Children need to learn that although we do not always agree with rules and laws, there is reason to follow them. If there are rules that are out dated or worthless, then the district needs to remove them from their schools.

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I have taught in a building that had a lot of exterior doors. Kids would open the doors and let people/kids in. They would use their hoods to help hide their face from the cameras.

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You have one entrance. Is that the only exterior door? Those aren't the same things.

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The students can wear hoodies but inside the school they cannot put the hood on same goes for hats, they can wear them but have to be taken off once they enter the building.

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So, if that is your school rule and your allowing your students to break it, think about what you’re teaching them. How does this help the culture in your building?

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I tend to agree. Either abolish the rule or enforce it. Otherwise it is confusing and sets students up for confusion as to what rules need to be followed or as victims of selective enforcement, which is the most sure fire way to generate complaints.

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In the halls as an AP I hate them having the hoods on, only because we don’t allow ear buds and also a safety issue so that I know who is who. But that’s also at a middle school where we have some big kids.

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No hats or hoodies allowed inside the buildings. Students can wear them outside. I do enforce the rule, but it is a struggle with some kids. This is a role for our entire district.

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Safety because we can’t see the uniform. Also they hide their earbuds - checked out during class, potentially cheating on assignments or tests

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I can understand the identification issue at the beginning of a school year, but it’s January now. If you can’t identify your own students on sight- regardless of what they are wearing- you’re not paying enough attention to your students.

Hoodie rules- like all dress codes- are more about the hang-ups of adults (including racism and sexism) than they are about anything else.

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Hmm...not entirely sure how hoodies and hats are indicitive of racism and sexism? Ive had both genders and all races wear a hoodie or hat..am I missing something?
I say no..to me its traditionally a sign of respect to take off your hat indoors (especially in an educational setting)..and hoodies are on your head..so also considered a "hat" in my book. 8n my experience it does allow students to withdrawl and disconnect from the class...so how about we make the classroom a safe community where all students belong and appreciate each other (see Innovators Mindset by George Courous if you need resources to achieve this!)..its my class rule, so thats that.

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I do not care one bit in my classroom, but I do try to emphasize the identification aspect for when they go into the hallway. There are so many kids in the halls and if there’s someone who shouldn’t be there, we need to be able to recognize them. But in the classroom, nope, I don’t care about it.

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I have a student in 2nd grade.. he always wears his
Hoodie sweatshirt..when he puts his hood on his head.. I know he is upset.. it’s his way of communicating to me he is ready to shut down.
So yes, these kids - especially my IEP kiddos.. have been to through the ringer.. I need to give them a break and re- think the original rules to accommodate their needs.

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I grew up in a time when we dressed for work, and even just to go out in public. This was before pajamas with matching slippers were considered an outfit.

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I feel there are too many courteous and respectful practices being thrown away in our “new” society. The etiquette rules I grew up with were a part of respecting oneself as well as others. There are so many things suffering from society’s indifference to decency. Work ethic’s, education, respect for law enforcement… the list can go on and on. I guess I’m saying, “yes, I do think it’s a big deal!”

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We used to. Then we got a new superintendent who abolished the rule, since there’s no data to support the practice. 🙌 That’s one rule I won’t miss enforcing.

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I was raised that it is impolite to wear a ball cap or winter hat indoors.

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