EY sent this email to all US Assurance staff and seniors, they are saying the expectation is 2-4x a week in the office from now on. The timing is... interesting. EY

Post Photo
funnylikeuplifting
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at
Highlighted IconHIGHLIGHTED

All the firms are pushing this quietly. KPMG is 3 days/week in the office and telling teams they are not a remote workforce. DT is requiring multiple days in the office every week in a lot of offices. PwC leadership is asking partners and directors to push being back in the office. Good for EY for being open and public about it.

Honestly I’m not sure why anyone is so against being in the office. Seniors and associates are not progressing the way they did 5 years ago. And where are people going to go? Everyone who touts the fully remote options can’t show them to me or they realize there is a pay gap with those now. Especially in high cost markets where fully remote means instead of paying NY salaries they can pay Peoria salaries.

likefunnysmarthelpful

I'm a bit out of my element here being a tax guy in Industry, but wanted to reply to to part of SD OP.

"Honestly not sure why anyone is against being in the office"

I missed my first daughter's first steps. First words. First time dancing to wheels on the bus. A consequence to leaving before she was awake and getting home after she was in bed for the first couple years of her life. She doesn't remember or care, but I do. My second daughter came right before Covid, and I didn't miss those things because I was home. I work to live, not live to work so I wouldn't trade that for double my salary.

Tax is a bit different than assurance and I also totally get that kids fresh out of school learn better with some structure. But your ignorance of "why" WFH has been totally life changing for young and mid-career professionals exposes a glaring deficiency in your ability to connect with the teams that report to you.

However remote work evolves as the accounting industry moves out of Covid era, take some time to get to know your teams and what they value...

likeupliftinghelpfulsmartfunny

If we can train people in India how to audit client data that we send them, I think we can do that domestically too. How much of an effort was put into teaching staff domestically on a remote basis?

likehelpfulsmartfunny

This job isn’t that glamorous. I think there a lot of people who started 10-20 years ago and don’t realize it’s not a first choice any more because the pay compare to the WLB is pretty bad. There is a lot of moaning and groaning on here about people coming into the office, pulling up bootstraps, etc. that misses the point that no one wants to do that any longer than they have to. If this is your outlook realize quality people will leave as soon as something better is available.

Recent IconRecent

I like how all these return to office requests have nothing other than meaningless metrics on things like culture

likefunny

Associates are no longer getting coffee and meal orders all day. We send simple work overseas so they aren’t learning. How is sitting next to you any better? Do you know about the internet?

likesmartfunny

As a manager I can tell the quality of staffs and senior 1 significantly reduced and got worse during covid, to no fault of their own.

And as we are transitioning more in person, same staffs who struggled for concepts 2 months ago are slowly and gradually picking up.

like

Agreed 100%. I also feel like we have missed out on many learning opportunities we otherwise would have had in office together. Like all of the knowledge you overhear as teams discuss procedures and what not.

like

Yeah. Guess they want to reduce headcount.

like

I'm a senior with 3 years of experience in tax. Any role open for me in PWC? :D

like

What an excellent message for an industry already experiencing record burnout and attrition. This is really going to help the recruiting stats…

likehelpful

To be fair, the turnover is not unheard of. Maybe not in the last 10 years, but it has definitely been a staple before.

like

BS! What survey? Conducted when? Did they considered everyone? F that

like

I will literally start firing out applications if PwC starts doing this.

like

SD1 - things change and evolve and we have options now that seem to work some people and firms if that is the intention. I work for a PA firm where I was hired 100% remote and I get paid HCOL while living in LCOL, both sides are happy so what’s the issue? The only issue is that some firms just don’t want that and that’s fine, but just know there are other options out there so be expected to compete with that.

like

Just leave. I used to work for EY. PwC is better. People are far more relaxed about WFH here. This is the DUMBEST boomer fixation. It’s a sign the firm honestly has the wrong focus in terms of growth. Get out.

likeupliftingsmart

Firms are talking out of both sides of their mouth on this. They are saying being in person is critical for more effective work. They are also saying your offshore teams are no different than the core team and need to be leveraged as much as possible.

likehelpful

Dm for referral if you want to continue to work fully remote.

likesmart

Welp, looks like it's time to jump

like

Moved 2 people from EY to PwC for virtual work already. DM me.

Is anyone in audit really still working 100% remotely though? If their team is local? Obviously a different story if your team isn’t from the same office for various reasons. I don’t think this was intended to be earth shattering news; just trying to show it’s firmwide messaging since people seem to get annoyed when it’s all team/partner dependent.

like

I'm 100% remote. Meetup for like team events, happy hours is all.

likesmart

🤮

likefunny

Sometimes a balance needs to happen. Especially for my associates and seniors, the last three years has shown me that the in-person groups have vastly outperformed my virtual associates.

There is just more efficient learning when you're near me as oppose to having to set up calls all the time.

Sorry if you're a decent performing WFH associate but the rest of your groups have not kept up and so it's bound to happen.

like

I think it’s a team effort though, because as a staff most of my managers+ leaned in to virtual. It doesn’t matter how many times per week, you go in if everything would still be virtual. It’s like the blind leading the blind.

I’ll go in when my clients go in

likesmart

Dm for referral

likehelpful

They got tired of paying for the office space lol

likehelpful

Need a referral? PwC still has virtual.

like

They’re doing this because they want a few folks to quit so they won’t have as high RIF expenses in the impending recession.

like

Related Posts

like

This must be the wrong bowl, and i haven’t seen a post like this here so please, apologies in advance. I reconsidered my priorities during the covid crisis, and felt pretty ashamed about how little charity i had done. Long story short, i now work on the fundraising committee of a small multiple sclerosis charity. Our big annual event was forced to go remote and our fundraising took a beating. If anyone would like to learn more and help make a donation, please write me ❤️ thanks!!!!

likehelpful

What companies do you know of that allow US employees to work remote while abroad?

like
likesmart

How long wfh will remain in accenture ?

Are post-houses ramping back to in-person? I’m freelance and so far have had a couple in-person sessions but everything else has still been remote. I’m in NYC.

Looking for wfh / remote roles in Data science / Machine Learning roles. Can anyone please refer me for same? Have 2+ YOE. Thanks!
Skills : ML, Python, SQL

like

Are you currently WFH or WFO ??.Please mention your company as well .

like

Persistent is forcing to wfo, though I have genuine reason for wfh. Currently being a fresher I don't have much options, what should I do.
Thanks in advance for any feedbacks.
Persistent Systems Limited

like
likefunny

Anybody have info re Barnes & Thornburg? Hours/WLB/WFH/Comp/Bonus? Eyeing either Dallas or Atlanta. Any info is helpful. Thank you!

like

Looking to hire a full-time digital media buyer. Junior to mid level.

We’re a smaller, specialized agency focusing in performance marketing for corporate innovation and growth stage startups (e.g Cameo, DUDE Products, etc)

You’d work directly with our VP of Growth Marketing and CGO, lots of hands on training.

Ideally in Chicago - we only work in office once a week. Not opposed to out of state remote, but can chat through and see if it’s a mutually fit setup.

DM me or reply if interested!

like

Hello, can anyone recommend any good recruiters/job boards in the Operations sector in the UK -London? I'm looking for a new remote/hybrid role

like

I’m a newly promoted senior manager in audit and was just potentially offered a job in industry at $150k + 15% bonus. This is a 24% increase in base from my new senior manager salary and a 50% increase from where I was a week ago. It seems like a good company as well with permanent optional work from home. How good is this compared to typical offers at this level?

like

What are some remote/WFH positions that pay around 50-60k? Looking to find something remote but most jobs are pretty low paying admin work.

like

Right now I work for PSCU and I make $20/hr as a service desk tech. PatientPoint just offered me a job for an L2 position @ $24/hr. PSCU came back and gave me a counter-offer of pulling me in as a direct-hire, $2k sign-on bonus, and $21/hr.

PSCU is 100% remote and PatientPoint is 3 days in-office 2 days remote.

I can't for the life of me decide what to do.

The L2 thing is exciting.

PSCU is a non-profit. Glassdoor seems to favor PSCU.

like

For all that may be interested in working at home.

like

Hey,

Starting at Google soon in UK and wanted to know about WFH equipment.

Can anyone shed some light on what type of equipment Google will provide or that I can expense?

I'm holding off purchasing anything that Google may pay for anyway - thinking along the lines of a herman Miller chair and sit-to-stand desk.

Thanks :)

like

Hello guys, Are you doing wfh or wfo in Cognizant?

like

For those who got new job in pandemic, how did your new employer react that you need job sponsorship? And did they allow you to work from home?

like

More Posts

How many year of experience needed for Assistance Manager in KPMG Global Services.

like

Who here is single and gay?

like

Feeling behind at work. I’m relatively new to data/financial modeling. Any advice on learning how to take a client data set, cleaning it up, and turning it into a model for analysis? I’m a new consultant at a boutique and I’ve basically received no training at my company on how to use Excel to do this. Additionally, is this fair game for a new analyst to understand how to do this without any prior training?

like

Anyone know if Cemex hires litigators? I’m a construction litigator and want to go in house.

like

Does anyone have Skype for Business installed on their personal device to receive notifications?

Please help me with the 11 likes

TIA

Post Photo
like

I have been offered 20LPA as CTC in L&T Infotech. YOE - 4.7 years CCTC - 16.5 LPA Tech - Salesforce Developer. Please let me know, how much max can I ask/reach. Companies having Budget but why are they denying? Also, help me with the Work Culture at L&T Infotech. Anybody from Hyderabad office LTI Larsen & Toubro Infotech When is the Normal Hike/Appraisal Cycle here at L&T
Larsen & Toubro Infotech

like

Has anyone taken Xanax for years? Do you think it makes you depressed? Took it Mon-Thurs only and Friday and yesterday I felt so sad, alone ... this morning woke up happy

How long does a TS stay active when you’re not actually using it? I want to go to grad school (overseas) but I want my clearance to be active when I apply for jobs when I’m done. Thanks!

likehelpful

Messed up my public trust eqip. Forgot to list an expunged alcohol charge using a fake id I had in college four years ago bc it was expunged. I realize that I was supposed to report this and told the investigator I honestly didn’t remember because of the expungement. Do I have any chance of getting the public trust now? I already have an interim.

like

Has anyone here transitioned from consulting to the Foreign Service? I have a few questions

like

Does anyone know or have any idea where I can get some hands on coding practice/experience? I’ve been trying for almost a year

like
like

Hello guys, Are you doing wfh or wfo in Cognizant?

like

Gonna start a CDD project in two weeks, never had DD experience. Anyone can tell me how to prepare an CDD engagement?

like

For those who got new job in pandemic, how did your new employer react that you need job sponsorship? And did they allow you to work from home?

like

Huge shout out to the NYPD and intelligence force !

like

Ashwagandha. Look into it. With the Adderall shortage this has been an absolute life saver in my daily supplement pile.

like

Additional Posts in Accounting

It has been slow year. I started to hear there are layoffs going on in my group. I was wondering if there are signs your next? Also do you get an email to tell you are selected or something?

like