Fellow new-hire LL.M. Associates - do you feel like you are being criminally underutilized (not like your Utilization metric) relative to your skill set? I feel like a high schooler could do this job and I went to eight years of university. Managers and above - does it get better? I’m thinking of lateraling to a law firm if I’m just going to be moving documents around and copy/pasting into PowerPoint decks

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I felt this in the beginning. I’m seven years in now. Wait until someone figures out that you know what you’re doing, even if just a little bit - you’ll be criminally over utilized.

That said, I’ve also worked at a law firm before and I recommend that experience as well if you can get it. I ended up back at Big 4 because I needed a remote position and couldn’t find a law firm that would accommodate me.

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LOL my wife is an LLM that went to big 4 accounting. Law firms don’t want you anymore. You have the accounting stink on you.

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“Lawyers can suck as people” … damn bruh lol

I worked at a big4 before my llm then went to big law after llm and now in house at a large company.

If you are doing international or m&a, it does get better. At a big 4, it does not matter if you are straight out of college, have a JD, or have a LLM. Your title dictates what you do but you definitely do learn technical things as you are doing the “mundane” things.

There are mundane things at a law firm and also in house too so just stick to it and try to ask as many technical questions as you can. There are so many things someone without an llm would know only from experience. My senior mgr at a big4 was a cpa (no jd or llm) but she was one of the most technical person I know.

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Entirely agree with this post. Also agree that there’s a lot of grunt work at a law firm, and the similar feeling of “I’m just copying and pasting and using forms.” It’s a part of both jobs. Honestly I’ve encountered more complex technical issues at Big 4 than I ever saw at my law firm (though admittedly I have never worked in Big Law - they definitely see complex issues). Unless you can get in Big Law, I believe Big 4 is best for developing your tax technical skills.

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Welcome to every single entry level job 🤡

Edit: not including quant

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YES

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I worked at big 4 after my Llm and was stuck doing PowerPoints for 2 years in international tax. It felt so underwhelming to have gone to law school only to be stuck doing copy/paste functions for seniors. I have since moved to BigLaw and it’s much better (meaningful work). I’d say stick it out for the experience but if the opportunity arises to go to a law firm, I would say try that out! Couldn’t hurt.

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Ask for more challenging work. If a staff demonstrated that they were capable and accountable, I'd love to give them more challenging sections or assignments.

Tell you supervisor that you want to work towards a promotion. They'll give you the opportunity to step-up the level of work you're currently doing.

Gotta prove you can do the simple things before you get the chance to do the complicated stuff. Offer to write an opinion or technical memo. You're gonna need to ask for those opportunities, they won't be given to first years

JD. I have several LLMs on my team and they are awful when fresh. My second year Seniors can write a better treaty opinion than green LLMs from Georgetown/NYU

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You also may want to consider who you work for and what kind of work they do.

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