Girlfriends dad is a VP at GS. Not very close with him at all, and I don’t think he likes that I went to a non-target. Try to put yourself in my shoes, do you think he’d be willing to help get my foot in the door at GS? I don’t want him to think I’m using him either. (Obviously understand the complexity of this situation since it’s a personal matter)

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Unless y'all are getting married or have been dating a long time and you have a stellar relationship with her dad I think it would be inappropriate to ask for a referral

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Most people get jobs because of who they know. I’ve always wanted to get the job because of my work, however it always worked to my advantage being a people person, and building solid relationships in my life and career. Also working for a company for 14 years also helped because people knew my reputation. Don’t limit yourself, you may have way more opportunities than you think. Take time to build some relationships and networks. I just joined toastmasters and surprised how many professionals are in the network. Look at opportunities to join or volunteer for non profit organizations on their boards. Join networking groups or create one. You have endless opportunities!

This seriously depends on his personality and your relationship with him. Have you all hung out, does he know your career aspirations, how serious are you and his daughter? If you have a solid relationship with him and he knows your goals, there’s nothing wrong with having a natural conversation with him the next time he asks you what’s new. You can tell him about jobs your looking into. He might even ask you if you’ve considered GS and if you’re really lucky he may offer to write a recommendation.

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You could always ask him mentorship like questions or if he can introduce you to someone more junior or on a team closely aligned with what you are interested in who would be willing to talk about their career with you. Worst he can say is no but at least then you weren’t asking for anything more than career advice so it doesn’t look like you are using him for a job.

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This is an awesome add! 👏

Non target here, I can refer you my guy. Also I don’t think the target/non-target mentality is warranted. We hire people not resumes

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Not a GS person (past or present) but worked in front office and was a non-target in IB. It literally doesn't matter once you're on the desk. You either have the work ethic, attitude and ability/desire to learn or you don't.

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She has to ask

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Oof i see ur dilemma. I think best approach is to see if he’d be willing to have a call with you. Purpose of the call isn’t to ask for a referral but rather to pick his brain / ask him questions / and see if he can provide any advice.

Regardless of your relationship i don’t see why he wouldn’t be willing to help in this sense.

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People ask random folks on here for referrals. I don't see the issue unless he does not like you and has a valid reason.

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I’d just network with people on LKDN and get a referral that way

Your girl’s dad has no influence over the hiring decision

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VP’s are like mid 20s to early 30s why u dating a baby?

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On a trading desk, VPs are often between 30s to 50s.

Yeah I would leave it for now and try it your own way. He would probably say ‘I’ll see what I can do’ but as your not married I wouldn’t ask. My girlfriends father works for GS as a Partner and we’ve been dating for a few years with a good relationship. I still wouldn’t ask him as he’s a similar type to what your describing. Maybe if you end up together longer term then it could be different.

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I agree, probably will be more appropriate down the line. Definitely helpful. Thanks for that!

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How is he a VP? If you are an associate you are at least 25 years old… Either he is the oldest VP ever or you are dating a woman too young for your age… maybe that’s why he does not like you…

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I would encourage you to wait until you became husband. Or do your own research and work your way in GS and that will likely impress him.

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No. She isn’t close and he already doesn’t respect your academic background. You need two things: your girlfriend to vouch for you to a distant dad and somehow convince him your non-target isn’t indicative of your lack of discipline or ambition/drive.

Oh yeah, I believe the talent management and recruiting DEFINITELY thinks that way which I (sort of) understand, especially with how tight knit I've seen some alumni networks. I'd just be very turned off if my girlfriends dad ever referenced me as a "non-target school" guy or something similar lol and further needed me to justify why I didn't attend a target school.

I think every exchange has a price, if he helps you now he may never respect you as a self made man. I’d say you’re better off forgetting about her dads role in a company, and just recognize him as human being and father to your partner.

You're not "self made" if you network, have conversations, leverage relationships for introductions? Has anyone ever broken into front-office roles without doing exactly that?

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I think better to be more casual about it. Mention you’re looking to switch firms and ask if he has any advice.

Ask him for an informational interview meeting, what he does, what he likes about it, what it takes to be successful, how to get I to it. Focus on learning what he knows and what you can learn from him. Information about your alternatives and where GS might fit in is more valuable than just having him you an interview.

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