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Hey there. Female ACD here. There's a hip new ECD on the scene at our office. His version of really shaking things up seems thanking my male creative partner exclusively for the work that we both did. Oh, and also never looking me in the eyes. Pair this with the promotion of a male creative with two years of experience (TWO) to ACD. Index level: conjuring Aileen Wuornos.
Hello there. Thank you and deep respect for posting a Condescension Level: Wuornos. I share your frustration and give you solidarity for all of the above. Especially the eye contact thing. So weird, so pervasive, so inexplicable to those not in our position! I suppose - let 'em undermine, we'll execute.
With you ladies on the eye contact thing. Drives me INSANE. Especially when I mention it to a male colleague and he tells me that I'm imagining things and being too sensitive. Mostly happens to me with outside vendors / production houses though. Rarely-to-never in the agency. So In-house Condescension Index at an all-time low of 10%. Outside these four walls: 79%. Guys, would like to hear your thoughts on this. Do you all have over-bearing wives and/or mothers? Does disregarding the contribution of your professional female colleagues help you get your power back? Please explain.
Male CD here. No problem looking women colleagues in the eyes. In fact, my entire creative team are women. My counterparts on the account side are women. We're currently killing it. However, I understand it's not the same everywhere. Even at my agency. Also raising my daughter (college student) to be an independent powerful woman. Not all men are Dbags but I know that many are. Too, too many.
@creative director- thanks for the input. I wonder about this a lot. Most men are absolutely not d-bags. I just wish they would call out the d-bags more. As soon as this becomes unacceptable behaviour or bias to everyone, we will start to see some real change. Currently good people often just let things go. We need help calling this out. My opinion obvs. Thanks!
@R/GA you're right.
I'm so sorry y'all deal with this. I'm on a different side of the biz that's mostly female, but still nearly all our leadership is male. I'm lucky enough to work primarily with women and have a female global lead on my practice, which is really fantastic. Sending lots of support your way.
Have you read Feminist Fight Club? Could be good for you!
@CD1 👏 🍻
@RGA exactly. I have just hit a breaking point with it all. With the catcalls and the side conversations. With the deals made over drinks we're never invited to. I'm doing my best to call this bullshit for what it is, and it doesn't always leave you the winner. Sometimes it's downright ostracising. But man. My heart needs it. My soul needs it. My pride needs it. My nieces need it.
I'm a female copywriter and this shit drives me crazy. My agency is a total boys club at the management level - our CCO walks around the creative department talking to every male creative while skipping the females - o except the one he's hooked up with. The worst part is even junior women in the account department will only address male creatives. We need to look out for each other especially woman to woman to stop these kinds of things from being the norm.
Hi, female CD here. You just have to not car and stand up for yourself. Do it nicely. You don't have to be as jerky as they are.