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Got an email “reminder” that weekly lesson plans are due Monday morning. I’m tired. I want to reply “no” because I don’t have time to make detailed lesson plans on their template...for lessons that I won’t follow...for a curriculum they haven’t given me yet....But I should probably just ignore it until I’m less tired so I don’t let my mouth get me in trouble. Do y’all turn in lesson plans?

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Many years ago my district got the curriculum mapping program called Atlas. Each subject area got together and put all of our book titles, state standards, possible lessons, activities, quizzes, tests, and projects. It’s really a menu that we can pick from or make up our own. We had several in service days to get this together. If an administrator ever want to know where we are and possibilities of what we are teaching they are directed to look at Atlas. Same with the parents. Since we all filled in out (four sixth grade Literature teachers) they know we are teaching the same thing, but in our own style. We try to be around the same place with a two week buffer. This program has been great. It also includes all the state standards we are required to teach. I write lesson plans in the morning. I’ve taught this course for so long that even if I wouldn’t write anything down I would still know what I’m doing. I list what I’ll be doing each day. Takes like three minutes.

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I have never understood why administrators require lesson plans. Most times when you ask them, they say that lesson plans organize you and make you more efficient when teaching; I am a 17 year vet, and I know my curriculum backwards and forwards. They also require you to do it according to their format. It seems like the only person that benefits from lesson plans are the admins when they come to observe you. I have always been baffled by their insistence on lesson plans because the same thing we put in our lesson plans are the same things that are already written by someone else who developed the curriculum you are using, which, in essence, is writing the same thing twice. Maybe for a new teacher or a teacher who has not mastered his/her craft, lesson plans can be effective, but for teachers like me who have been teaching for over 10 years, it is a monotonous weekly task that has no meaning to me. I can understand that administrators need a standardized template to look at when observing, but to me, your insistence on needing lesson plans tells me that you have not even cracked the book, or briefly looked at what I am teaching. If I was an IC or admin, I would already be prepared for who I am observing because I would have looked at the curriculum ahead of time. All they have to do is tell me what lesson they are on that day; this will take away a lot of stress from teachers who are already doing a very difficult job.

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Yes, plans seem to benefit admin only. They do not benefit me as the teacher when written to their specifications. The plans are definitely not suitable, nor do they benefit my K12 reading audience. K12 is my target audience when publishing instructional plans!

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During my 30 year career, I’ve never had to turn in lesson plans. We were trusted as professionals to do what we needed to do. As we are all aware, lessons can change in a heartbeat in the classroom. Most administrators have no clue to what the lessons are about. During the course of the school day, wouldn’t admin have more pressing issues than playing micromanagement games with lesson plans?

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Same with the 3 yearly observations we ALL must have. After 16 years, I think if I couldn’t do my job I would have been fired by now. What other profession has to be observed three times a year?

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I worked with a teacher who already had 10 years of experience before joining our district. As a "new" teacher he was required to submit lesson plans every Monday. He submitted blank pages every time and was never caught. His pre-planned excuse was that the file copied improperly and he would send his plans ASAP. No one ever noticed.

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I did something similar. We were getting ready for a state department review. The administration started asking for them. I got a blue file folder and put some blank white paper in it, labeled the folder and turned it in. Never got caught either. I didn’t write lesson plans before then. Now. They are due Friday by 3:15 and late on Monday morning at 8am. I have never been late nor failed to do them. They are detailed and include plans for small groups. It takes both days over the weekend to complete a week’s worth if you are starting a new topic. If you do not turn them in, you are written up. I got COVID (yes, I was vaccinated) the first full week of kids being back to school. I have not written a single plan since. Can’t do it and I am not being paid. When you feel that awful, it doesn’t matter.

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I have a general idea but…sometimes don’t know what I’ll actually be doing until it’s done.

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We all make snap decisions to better our students’ learning. I planned my first month out, it’s how I work. Due to COVID we are teaching in a new rotating schedule and have 80 min classes 2 or 3 times a week. I’ve already had to change everything multiple times. I planned an activity with my students expecting them to not have retained much from last year. Surprise surprise, they remembered EVERYTHING I went over! So my 20 min activity got thrown out and I moved on. Things change bc we have to adapt to what our students need… and that makes a good teacher, not some Google doc with words. 🙄

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If we cannot get under the authority that has been placed over us, how will we ever expect to be an authority over those placed under us? Our students are gauging the level of participation, engagement, vulnerability, and enjoyment of their teachers to determine whether they will follow suit. If my response to being asked to do something difficult is to complain, then my students will pick up on that and will do exactly the same to me when I ask them to do something difficult. So to answer your question: Yes, detailed lesson plans are exhausting. Yes we are expected to turn them in. My plans are way better in my head and if admin walks into my room, they can see what is actually occurring above what was submitted on paper. My guess is it is the same for you. Here is Texas, there is no state requirement for lesson plans so it is really just a CYA for administrators. Have you tried writing multiple weeks as a unit plan so they don’t have to be so specific?

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Yes! This is my 27th year teaching and I have had to turn them in EVERY year but one and I was less organized that year. It helps me get organized. We are a 1:1 school and our lesson plans are now posted as a week at a glance for students and administrators (and parents!). It works because there aren’t any questions and it keeps us all on the same page.

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I’ve only had one admin that asked for this, they lasted one year in the building. I can’t believe how common place lesson plan submissions are throughout the country. Would love to see the data that justifies this type of micromanaging.

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Right?!? Give me the data!! Also give me extra hours to accomplish this

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I use the lesson plans that we have from previous years to “post” and then I do what I want lol

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I do the same! Maybe write one good set and turn the same thing in every week. Just change the date. I've done that for a new course. I definitely agree it's a waste of time. I like to plan by writing things in calendar. The template they make us use is horrible!

No. After 30 years, I’d say no to that email. But yes, you should probably wait to reply! 🤣

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I waited and just said nothing 😂

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I've had principals ask for basic plans (generally a copy of whatever you're already doing). Since we've started moving to 1:1 technology, I just share my classes on our LMS with them for evaluation purposes. The only time I've ever needed in-depth plans was when being observed formally. Last year, our Superintendent had the entire K-12 faculty filling out spreadsheets with lesson plans for every day of the year, theoretically to help with remote learning, though she could never adequately explain how it helped (one of the many reasons she only lasted one year in our district). Some teachers killed themselves getting it done. I made them as generic as possible and knocked out a whole semester in about an hour. There's always an "out" in situations like this, and unless there's specific language in your contract about lesson plans, it would be very hard to hold you accountable 😉

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What is, or should be, their main goal?

I have never had to submit lesson plans… ever! Unless it has been for professional development. Sorry for those of you that do. I think I would quit.

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Since I never get through my plans each week…… I have become a expert at cut and paste for next weeks lesson.

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Exactly !

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I’ve had to do them for 30 years. Every so often they are read and you are given suggestions on how to do a better job by an academic coach who taught 10 years and you are in your 30th year. They must be a masterpiece! This is what I do every Sunday. I am retiring this year and that is one reason why.

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I hear you!

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We do not. As a matter fact, as a special education teacher, I plan my lessons one day at a time. Sometimes I want to try to be on the ball and have a whole weeks worth of lessons planned out, only to get to Tuesday’s lesson by Friday. It’s just easier for me to go one day at a time.

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I’m the same way. I always over plan because god forbid you have 30 mins with nothing to do and they get crazy lol.

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Also use generic language. As California warned if you say you’re teaching subjects and predicates and you’re not, then you give them fuel. If you word it, “ grammar/writing sentences and choose CCS that fit, you’re giving leeway.

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Yep! Same boat, too. Still waiting for everything they said was coming, but in the meantime turn in plans on the template with what you think you will be doing for the week. WHAT!?! 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

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As one veteran school admin once told me, “Just because it doesn’t make sense, doesn’t mean we won’t do it!”

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Nope. The only time I have to turn in lesson plans is when I'm being formally observed, and even then I can use whatever format I want.

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Nope! But we’ve been required in the past. Only after I was hounded did I download some random plans from my curriculum website to send in (just emergency sub plans though, so not every week). I knew they weren’t going to do anything with them 🤷‍♀️

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Omg I can’t curriculum either! Yes we have to turn in lesson plans but not so detailed but so much goes on I never get to it and I’m weeks behind. But I am sped so I know it’s little different than Gen Ed … with speed of work. But I’m in same boat

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Sane here. Detailed lesson plans are due Monday morning. I don’t think they are ever looked at except when admin walks into your room for an “informal” observation. If she walks in at 8:30 and your lesson plans state you are doing subjects/predicates on page 47 they by GOD you had better be doing exactly that!

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So dumb

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