Guys, do you still feel loyalty to your company?
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I feel loyalty to my teams and my leaders who look out for me and are advocates of my career.
As for my company… I told my counselor at my previous company that I felt guilty looking elsewhere because I owe the company and had a sense of loyalty. He told me something that stuck with me: you don’t owe “the company” anything. You do a job, they earn money and they pay you.
To this day I’m thankful for him being in a leadership role, but giving me the brutal honest truth because it was in my best interests and not his.
My manager submitted me to HR for a comp evaluation because I’ve been here 5+ years. I got a large bonus this year because I worked my ass off, and a mid year promotion to CL7, but in December, like a 1% raise. HR said collectively I was doing fine this year, because of the bonus. But in my opinion, the bonus was for working basically 2 jobs at once this year, and the salary adjustment I was asking for was to catch me up to an equal playing field with my peers, who make significantly more than me. I watch people at lower career levels complain and get adjusted or leave and then make as much as I do as a manager. I’m told if I ‘keep pushing’ I’ll rank well next year and get another raise, but I’m burnt out. Makes me question loyalty when every day I’m asked to keep going above and beyond.
I used to, until they started bringing in new hires for more pay
Exactly right D1. I'm not sure why equal pay for equal work doesn't apply here. If the company changes bands, existing employees should be adjusted.
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People … yes
Company … naw
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M1 you’re being pedantic for no particularly good reason
No. I fully believe that loyalty to a corporate entity is futile for an employee. Loyalty to your direct manager/team members, sure. I feel that. But loyalty to a company I never believed in. As soon as a corporate entity faces headwinds, you are just part of a data point in a matrix as restructuring takes place.
Loyal to my team, for sure.
Rising Star
Same. I’m not loyal to the firm—I don’t like it, its stodgy, inflexible ways, it’s stupid policies, etc.
I’m loyal to the partner and senior managers I work with, and I’d follow them if they left.
Hell no. I was laid off very early in my career and learned that only person you can count on is YOU.
God forbid if you pass away tomorrow, in less than a week they will find your replacement… I am loyal to the money
A8 yeah what’s your point
No
Chief
Translation?
Lololololol
GH2 ... you have got to be kidding?! After a couple of really horrible years working through Covid - we had an awesome year. Raises and bonuses were mediocre at best. Messaging was ... "wait til next year."
I do actually. I started as an associate at pwm and just got promoted to director. Took 8 years. I feel that it’s been a good partnership. I’ve put in a lot of work obviously but Pwc has also trained me, promoted me and been very supportive/fair throughout. Not sure I would have got that if I jumped around a lot for the money.
Now, I think my pay could be higher, so if Pwc doesn’t increase over the next year substantially I will have to find another offer, either to get a counter or to actually leave.
Loyalty is fleeting and contingent upon a variety of priorities (always changing). I think people outgrow firms. You can work for absolute stars but that doesn’t mean you should continue to if your needs change. And they will. Then again firms show little loyalty to their employees, something about “at will”.
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Yes. Loyalty is earned, and they have. I obviously put my own interests first but I do have loyalty to my firm.
Chief
MD2, It doesn't sound like you're loyal at all. Does loyalty just mean, "I like my firm and I'm here because it's what's best for me?" It's silly to call that loyalty.
Do you put your company before yourself? Seriously, WTH does it mean to be loyal to a company?
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Never have. Probably never will.
I do my job well. I am in demand. I will go to the highest bidder (which might be a lower salary but 100% remote with never more than 40 hour weeks).
No. We are their inventory and we are disposable to them.
Amen! Early in my career someone told me, never get emotional over a company ... they won't get emotional over you.
Loyal to the company, I don’t know.
Honest to the job, always
Of course honest to the job. Doing the job I’m paid for with the highest level of ethic and quality. But if someone pays me more for my job ethic I’d jump ship
Child please
Rising Star
It’s all the same. Do you believe in religion? Do you believe in the govt? Do you believe in the concept of superiority of your own country? Are you loyal to a company?
What people miss is every relationship is transactional. You pay taxes to a country. The country decides how to spend that. They can take unlimited loans for projects. Big companies are the same. They will all pretend to care but you need to look out for yourself. No one , no one apart from your close family and friends truly care about your well being, especially if they also cut you a check or take money from you.
Only show loyalty to yourself.
No. I used to, until I had a very harsh and rude awakening when leadership let me down. I’m learning to focus on myself and my own goals, as opposed to investing emotionally in the company/people that work there.
IBM will cut you as soon as they don’t think you’re profitable.
I was but not after when I was treated like I was disposable
No one, not even partners, is indispensable. That was a lesson shared w me over a decade ago by an MD. That person is still with the other firm, but needs to prove her value every year.
Never be loyal to a company. They will never be loyal to you. We are all replaceable.
Only loyal to my wife.
Im just a cog in my employers wheel