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People here who don’t call it self defense clearly are okay with a bigger person threatening them in their space. And if so you’re all clowns.

If anyone reads the facts and watches the actual video, Simon went around the counter, shoved Alba and did not let him leave. Tell me how you people will deal with the situation when you’re cornered in your own space with no way to get out, by a much bigger person who just needs to give you a straight punch and knock you out. Not to mention after the fact that this was a previous criminal charged with assaulting police. Practice your common sense please and put yourself in Albas shoes. You really don’t think Simon wouldn’t assault Alba considering how he assaulted an actual cop??

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Irrelevant. Question is the law. It's not self-defense.

I already know the other guy is in the wrong. Free the bodega worker

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I usually see in these discussions, no one mentions the man was a criminal who was arrested, i think, at least 20 times. Who knows what would have happened when your dealing with someone with that kind of history. Not saying he deserved to die the way that he did, but when you have a very long history of criminal activity, it doesn’t bread empathy from most in this city who are sick of all the crime and assaults.

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It’s not irrelevant to the law as i had just said if you were actually listening to me. Actually the only reason this is even a question of whether or not it was self defense is because the victim is black and we need to consider what biases came into play. If the victim had been any other race (eg. Hispanic on Hispanic, or a white person who jumped behind the counter to assault the owner) the case likely wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near this attention and it’s hard to believe you’d be this passionately defending them.

I get that you want to defend black folks and i think we can all agree, there are SO many cases of injustice towards the black community. We all want to see more equitable treatment and stop the violence. This just isn’t one of those cases and it’s unwise to lump this case in with the many real cases of injustice that need attention. I think you should be able to distinguish those, and also between the people saying things you don’t like and the actually racist and ignorant people of the world.

Anarchotyranny at work. The government won't do much about criminals like thr guy who got stabbed but God forbid you defend yourself, then the formerly useless DA throws the full might of the government at you

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Ya if I started excessively stabbing every bro who pushed me, I’d be in Rikers too

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Honestly, f Bragg. I would vote for Zeldin who’s promised to remove him if Zeldin weren’t anti choice.

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that wasn’t self defense.

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I can’t believe people really feel sorry for the guy that died lmao I’m sure he’s a stand up citizen

He came behind the counter. He wasn’t walking about, he was still grabbing onto him

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Does anyone think that if the bodega owner had been a white hedge fund owner in a similar situation, that this would even be a question? He certainly would never have seen rikers and may not have even been arrested.

My guess is the bodega owner gets exonerated. This isn’t a hill to die on for the folks supporting Simon.

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The fact that there are still vocal disagreements about the video means that it’s not clear what happened or to what degree the bodega owner is at fault. Which means there should be a trial; that’s what trials are for. Killing someone is always serious, and the justice system should take it seriously.

It's tempting to think they should drop the charges against the clerk and then they should turn around and charge the girlfriend with murder. According to the CNN article, she threatened the clerk: "my n----- is gonna come down here right now and f—k you up"

So, one could argue she caused his death.

This is not an easy one but I think the police killings and reaction to that are clearly coming into play here. If police came in and killed this person on video like this people would be up in arms (and whether anything would happen to the officer is probably a crap shoot - there’s the angry left who’ll say it was race motivated (and to be clear, I’m coming from the angry left myself and tend to think these things are always at least partially race motivated), the cop-lovers who’ll say it’s just part of the job, then most of the rest of the world who’ll say it’s super ugly and complicated and there’s facts weighing in both directions). BUT, this is not a police officer. This is a regular citizen who was threatened. It may not look like an appropriate reaction in scope, but I can’t see anything that leads me to believe that’s not self defense.

Dr King did say the left was as big a problem as the right for Black people cos wtf are you talking about.

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