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Have any females here had a baby while at the senior level and stayed in public accounting?

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@D1 and @PwC1 - take 24 hours and care for a child under 6 months old. Then come back and tell us if it is like it is a vacation, which is what you are insinuating. You sound like the woman who wants to get paid for "me"ternity. Google it. I have plenty of coworkers who don't have kids and DO need time off to stay active, or even meet that special significant other! That time is extremely important and they are entitled to their paid time and flexibility. But no matter what, you cannot pretend that caring for a brand new completely helpless human being is in any way a vacation. There is physical and emotional healing. How many times in a week do you get woken up at 12, 3, 6, and then come and put in a 12+ hour day in at work? Again, it's a choice but it shouldn't be held against us because we'd actually like to create the next generation. The point of the addition of paternity is to make it MORE fair to both sexes. There is paid time for adoptions as well for all those who may not be having biological children. I hope both of you if/when you ever experience parenthood don't have people acting toward you the way you are acting. There at are people who work 3 jobs and can't feed their children who get zero paid time. Be thankful for what you have.

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@PwC1, again, I hope you have kids and understand. It is not a vacation. It is harder to take care of that helpless being than doing our jobs. And I've been doing our jobs long enough to know that. There is nothing you go through as a single that compares to taking care of a new life. That's why it's so important. I don't think you are attacking me personally. But I think if you feel that way then when you do have children you are unprepared for how massively your world will change. If you think those without kids should get "me"ternity, here are some guidelines for living that so it's consistent with what moms go through. Having had 2 kids, I can tell you it's pretty spot on. As for the paternity, why are people upset? It means that men are getting equal too, so long as they take up their role of being primary caregiver for a time. Have them experience what moms go through, and also get the time off moms do. More fair for both sexes! http://yackler.ca/blog/2016/04/29/want-maternity-leave-without-kids-ok-heres-go/

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Yeah well when people "conveniently" have kids just before busy season and take their 16 weeks of paternity leave, you should be delayed a year.

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It's only fair that some people are delayed due to maternity/paternity leave since having a baby is a choice. Should I be promoted at the same time as others if let's say I took 3 months off work to visit my parents in Europe? It's only fair to be delayed, especially if you miss a busy season.

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In my office, we've had women have babies and even miss part of busy season and not be delayed promoting. If you're a solid performer, I don't understand why somebody "has" to be delayed. If they're capable of being a manager, I don't get the argument in delaying promotion

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@D1 "discrimination against those that choose to not have kids"... Really... I don't see how that is discrimination. When a woman has a baby her body needs at least 6 weeks to recover physically, the remaining time off is to care for the baby, both of these things are important and necessary for both mother and baby. What does someone who chooses not to have kids do that requires 6 weeks of recovery time as well as extra time to bond with the human being they just birthed? I can't think of anything more important that would require as much time.

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I'm guessing you are not very good at what you do D1. It sounds like you are very concerned with the amount of time people have spent doing something rather than how good they are at it...kind of like teachers who think they shouldn't be fired because they have been there the longest. I'm also guessing you are a white man who has never had to deal with things not being equitable to you. 😢

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D1, sounds like you have had a bad experience (or experiences) with people that you've worked with that have children...I will have you know that I work for some of the hardest working people I know and they have children. Just because someone has a kid doesn't mean they work any less than people without children...you just sound mean and biased against people with kids, I don't know any other way to put it. I hope you learn not to be so judgmental and one sided because if I worked for you and I had kids I would be concerned about the unmerited resentment and prejudgment that would come from you - I hope you don't show this preconceived judgement towards your team members because that would really be a shame.

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I came in with 5 years of experience but I think there is an informal bias against mothers. They compare you to your peers and with the maternity leave, you have several months less time to impress

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I agree with this last post. Have had 2 babies, one as senior 3 one as mgr 2. No affect on mgr promotion, have been told I am still on track for sr mgr promotion. I have also missed a spring busy season with one of those. @Deloitte1, total bs. It can be extremely difficult to get pregnant, there is nothing "convenient" about a completely life changing event. It might be a choice to have kids but Just because you actually want to do so shouldn't be held against you, just like the tons of other activities singles do should be held against them. Read "Lean In" and own your career people. Have good support network around you. You can have career and family, you just have to plan well, take each day as it comes, work hard, and make hard choices and sacrifices as you go.

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@Deloitte 1 shut up and call your mother and tell her thank you

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^you lost sorry.

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@D1 I don't disagree if someone misses busy seasons and is not as advanced as their peers that they shouldn't be held back for promotion - for whatever the reason may be (maternity leave or not). I do disagree with what I gather about your mentality and your attitude towards those who choose to have children. And, no, I do not decide what is important but apparently a lot of people agree with me that having a child is important otherwise we wouldn't even be discussing this as maternity leave wouldn't exist.

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How did you draw the conclusion that we don't "get in the trenches"? And tell me I was wrong on the white man thing...

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D1-praying for positive things in your life. I'm sorry that you work too much. I work a lot, too. I also don't have kids, but I really want to and am suffering through fertility issues. I also take up slack for my manager who took maternity leave. She's just awesome enough that I was okay with it.

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@D1 I agree you clearly have had poor experiences and maybe with poor performers. Just because I've missed a busy season doesn't mean I didn't work my a$$ off when others have done the same. If you are a high performer you are a high performer, and one busy season shouldn't change that. Make it up in other busy seasons. Some people don't even have traditional busy seasons if they aren't in fed or provision work, so maybe you should switch to one of those areas if it is such a concern. I averaged 2500+ hours in years I have taken leaves, and way more in other years. Having kids doesn't mean you don't put in time or do hard work or "get in the trenches" as you put it. You want more flexibility and time off? Take it. Otherwise, switch to EY where the culture is clearly better and you can.

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Life isn't fair. No me-ternity.

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I'm glad I don't work with you people. Fortunately the heads of pretty much every accounting firm are intelligent enough to promote women and be supportive of taking maternity leave. OP: I think the idea is it is okay to have your baby, enjoy time with your baby, and work hard when you're not on leave. There will obviously be people who criticize you, but they probably won't do it to your face. These same people might try to prevent you from advancing. On the other hand there are many women who will have been where you've been.

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I'd love to be taken off your teams

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@Deloitte1 clearly you have no solid arguments against any of the other real substance of my post if that's the one piece you pick on. OP, own your career and your family life. I agree with Assurance Senior 1's comments.

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