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Has anyone tried the Suvie system?
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What is value billing? I heard that term used.
Nowhere that you want to work will rescind just because you counter. It's a red flag if they do!
Good point!
Yes. I took that as a sign the firm was not a good fit for me. This “my way or the highway” response was all I needed to see.
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It’s not a rescission. You countered making an offer to them and they can decline. We had someone counter on salary and came very close to saying no and goodbye because we thought it didn’t bode well for how we work together. Ultimately we offered a small increase over the original amount and the person accepted. (Note this was years ago before the current hiring market existed.)
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My post was too cryptic. This person’s counter was 40% above our offer and would make this person 50% above the peer colleague at the firm. To us, it said this person has a way over inflated view of their value and would conflict with the peer and others.
Yes. Rare but it happens. Oftentimes the firm has other, less expensive options. Or there was a limited budget or the original offer was made by a partner with sway (but not that much sway), and that partner could get you a certain amount but not what you want. Sometimes a new candidate (who might know somebody or is just a better fit than you) emerges while you’re negotiating. Sometimes the partnership just gets butt hurt you aren’t super ecstatic with the original offer and they think you should be. Bottom line: only negotiate if you’re willing to walk away.
Depends on how you’re countering. If you’re asking for something outrageous in response, then you’re more likely to make the future employer think it might not be a good working relationship if those are the expectations you set right off the bat. But I’ve also heard that some law firm employers see it as a negative if you don’t negotiate at all because, after all, that’s the nature of the profession.
My medium ground is to negotiate reasonably and politely. Have a good rationale for your position, and if you can explain it well and make a good case for yourself while respecting the other side’s boundaries, then you’ll both walk away with hopefully good feelings for the future of working together.
My first job offer ever offered a super low ball amount ($62k for 2400 hours!) and I countered $8k more and they completely ghosted me. It was so unprofessional and still to this day I am so grateful I didn't take that job. Dodged a bullet as a law student who didn't know what the hell I was doing, and was somewhat desperate for a job. Went through salary negotiations recently, and it was a great experience and we ended up in the middle of what I originally asked for and what they originally were offering.
I had a 1 year old atty, only 1 year under his belt, want to go from family law to personal injury. And he was nervous on the interview. He said he wanted $120k, I thought that was way too much so I declined. And there was a head hunter fee on top of it.
I read this this morning and thought never happened to me before. Then ironically it happens today! I had an offer from a startup, for a Director of legal position (a smart home tech company… fragrance). First legal hire, they wanted someone to come in and takeover legal from the outside firm where they said they were spending over 100k a month on legal work. They first offered exactly what I make currently, the HR person said oh she had no idea that’s where I was at (this was disclosed in the very first recruiter call but something happened and this was a new person handling the offer stage, she said it wasn’t in her notes 🤷♀️) and would have never started with that. So I was feeling good that they would come back with a decent offer since I told them I was hoping for a 15% increase. They only came up only 10k. Wouldn’t have even been a 10% increase for me, knowing how much they said they spent with the outside firm I decided to stay firm that I was looking for a 15% increase in compensation and included details as to why I think it’s justified etc. still being very thankful for the offer and also giving them opportunity to get creative with the offer ( sign on bonus more stock anything??) they came back firm and didn’t budge. I said ok ( I think this was my mistake, letting the disappointment show in my voice) then asked about the bonus structure and more information on the stock so I could have a full picture. Ultimately, I was disappointed because it felt like an amazing opportunity but numbers didn’t add up. I should note I’m fully remote right now and they were in office and it was a 40min commute. Had it been remote I would have been more open to lower comp increase. I thought about it and sent an email declining about 20min after the call today. Almost immediately after the email the HR person calls me, to tell me “they are glad I am happy in my current role because they decided to extend the offer to someone else” 😳 I was like wait wait wait what? She didn’t see my email declining… so yeah they were rescinding the offer. Still trying to not be offended by it because I was declining it anyways, but also feel kind of stupid for trying to negotiate it to begin with. Never happened to me before today. Still have mixed feelings leaving on a sour note, but also it’s business. And I think I dodged a bullet?!?
It happened to me recently - an offer rescinded after asking questions about the offer. Major red flag about the firm. I got an offer somewhere else a month later for substantially more money and with a firm that's a better fit.
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