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Hello fellow teachers. It’s my second year teaching and I’ve begun to get my pace in the classroom with discipline except one student. She doesn’t do her work and when my coteacher and I walk around, she doesn’t accept help (for example, she will sit looking at her blank work so when we go over to ask her how should she start the problem or can we read it to understand, she’ll pull away her chromebook and annoyingly says I don’t need help. This student currently has a 0% in math because of this.

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I suspect that this student is having a hard time with the work. Does she have a history of difficulty with schoolwork? Has she been evaluated? You’re not going to get anywhere with her by taking a hard stance. She is just going to resist further. You need to try a different tactic. You need to build a relationship with her. Try talking to her one on one. Allow her (and everyone else) a pass - some kids have extreme anxiety, trauma etc and putting them on the spot b/c their name came up on the spinner wheel should be a thing of the past. Please get to know her - it could make all the difference- to her and to your teaching career. Of course no one wants to “tolerate” this behavior, but there are almost definitely bigger things going on here than a student just trying to disrespect you!

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Hello I agree with you that something else is going on here and hopefully during the conference we can work everything out. Since the beginning of the school year, I’ve tried to talk to her as well as my coteacher to be blatantly ignored. I thought okay she’s shy or anxsious so I tried to have simple conversations but she kind of shrugged it off. The other students in the class seemed to take the behavior as oh that’s what she always does which tells me this is consistently happening in other classes. As a team we share a spreadsheet with students who are failing in our classes and she is currently failing all of her classes with grades below 50% however I don’t believe she is not understanding all of the work, but simply not doing the work. The wheel and Coulter previously in the beginning of the school year and although we did have to wait for her she did answer correctly. When we play games with candies prices she does answer correctly. I’m drawing a fine line between does she not understand or does she not want to do anything. Now compared to her other teachers I believe she isn’t as rude in our class verbally. But this is an issue that’s been continuously appearing throughout all her classes I really feel that it needs to be addressed somehow. We talk to her mom through email and she said they were no home issues in her opinion. The guidance counselor talked to her and she previously said there were no issues either. I’ve heard her mother wanted to see if she had anger issues but everything fell through. Since she didn’t talk to anyone much in the class, i thought it was a bullying issue in the beginning but none of her teachers or the counselor saw any harassment. As for the wheel, I feel for the class this is a fair moment. We accept volunteers but it allows everyone to to get a try so although it’s not as popular as it once was I do believe it has its place in the classroom. Now I personally spin the wheel to let students know two minutes in advance so they are prepared. This is the only time we are able to hear some students. I personally Think I have a great classroom climate when it comes to volunteers and sharing work as the other students really enjoy the thrill of the wheel. And regardless of the answer we get it’s a big moments where we applaud the person and give them their moment to share their screen or show their work on the board or even just explain themselves. it’s not a every problem occurrence. Usually a wrap up at the end of the day took to check for understanding. As she’s had blowups previously simply from other students asking her to pick up their fallen pencil, I’m honestly not sure what’s going on here. Of course I don’t mean to have her stand in front of the class and apologize. But I just wanna pull her to the side early in the morning to have a conversation with her. This is happened multiple times since the beginning of the school year and she still thinks it’s acceptable. We are in 6th grade and her records of outbursts in the system date back to elementary school. Something has to change. I just don’t know what.

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I agree with MES1. Something bigger is going on that has nothing to do with you. It could be the work, but it’s more likely something else in her personal life. Stop calling on her in front of everyone. Don’t ignore her, but don’t put her on the spot, either. Try more one-on-one approaches. Build trust and respect. Also- just because you didn’t see bullying, it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I’d follow that lead. Not only could there be something to it, it would be a great first step towards building trust with this student. Sometimes it’s no fun having kids like that in class, but if you can find some small ways to make inroads and see some success, it’s SO rewarding. Good luck!

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Very easy for cyberbullying to be happening and you don’t see that, parents won’t see unless they monitor online activity.

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This is beyond normal classroom interventions, as other people have responded. She needs intervention and support from the counselor assigned to her as well as the school psychologist or social worker. They will also need to enlist the help of the parent(s). This isn't about you or your class. You can't fix it. Coming down hard on her is also not going to do anything positive. She needs to be held accountable in a gentle, caring way. Just show you care about her as a person.

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I have more than one student who is responding to assignments this way. All three students struggle with reading skills, and their answer is avoidance. I am already using Tier 2 strategies for the entire class due to a lack of basic skills: chunking, graphic organizers, exemplars provided, guided notes, extended time, etc. They won’t ask for help and just shut down instead of even trying. These are high school level students with no IEP’s, although one has been labeled Tier II reading. One has also begun refusing to sit in his chair in other classes. I just didn’t want you to feel alone. I, too, have sounded the alarm to guidance, social worker and admin.

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Agree that the student has problems & the counselor & administration should have known what was going on awhile ago, & more than likely they did… This is beyond what can be done in the classroom, HOWEVER if she actually shoved/touched your coteacher she needs a referral to the office & at least a chat with the police liaison officer. Or your coteacher could write a police report, if she was touched. The student needs an intervention big time. I always say the bigger the kid the bigger the problem, meaning if she’s like THIS in middle school, what will she be like in high school? She needs an intervention now or she will not survive high school. And I know that may sound like a hard stance on the touching, I personally will quit if I feel I’m physically in danger, but maybe that’s just me.

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I've switched to using the phrase "How can I help you?" I sit next tot each group for a minute or so each rotation. Sometimes they just need someone to listen

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I’ll try this more. I’m usually being pulled by another student that asked for help so I need to set time aside for her. Maybe after doing it a couple of times she ask me someday

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You need to have a conference with her parents to let them know what is going on. The parents maybe able to give some insight to what may be the problem. Also, to see if the parents are supportive in helping their child do her work.

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Just a couple ideas. 1. Do an electronic check in with the whole class. Let them(the class) know you want to check in and give them a chance to help you be a better teacher for them. You can do this in google form. Have just a few questions like 1. Do you feel you understand what we have learned so far? 1. I’m a master. 2. Most of it. 3. I struggle a little. 4. I really need some help. 5. Help! I’m under water 2. If you need help, which of these would work best for you to let me know? 1. Raise my hand and wait for you. 2. See you before or after class. 3. Write you an email. 4. Have you check in with me while we work. 5. Other:———— 3. Because we are here to learn -What is the best thing I can do or say that will get you back on task when you get distracted or off task, that will allow you to start working without feeling angry or hurt. 4. What do you think are the top 3 traits of a good teacher? 5. Is there anything going on in your life you feel I should know to help me understand you better? 6. I want you to be safe and happy in my room. Are you being bullied, harassed, or made to feel uncomfortable at school? Are you willing to share this with me? If you want to share, would you prefer to write an email, have lunch with me and a one of your friends or be referred to the counselor to talk. Thank you for helping me!

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Leave her to her own choices. 18 years in I’ve learned that we cannot make them put pencil to paper. Everything has consequences. You’ll make yourself crazy trying to make her succeed

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She does not like to participate at all. Other teachers have said they don’t call on her anymore because she will not answer. I use a random spinner in my classroom so when it picture we wait for her to answer. Most of the time it ends up that we have to just go over it by herself but today she blew up. When asked to do a problem she said I’m not going to do it so you can Move On. I don’t take that type of attitude in my class. I tell her I will wait for her we can go over it together or she can ask for help from a classmate near her. She is silent. So right now we’re waiting because she’s not going to just get past this like this every single time. Another student says let me just help you and she burst out shut up and stormed out of the classroom pushing past my Co-Teacher. Now looking at her record she has had multiple behavioral issues and since the beginning of the school year I have been trying to schedule a conference with her mother. Finally one was scheduled for later this week. The lack of work is her issue but the disrespect of pushing past my Co-Teacher will not be tolerated. I reported her to the guidance counselor and the principal and they talk to her. She said apparently that the class was picking on her and bullying her. No such thing happened. My co-teacher who attended the meeting cleared that up with the principal as well. I am wondering what I should do about the situation. I do not want her to come back in the class tomorrow without apologizing to my Co-Teacher and giving other students the impression that behaving like that is no big deal. What should I do?

Sorry if it’s a little jumbled. I was using speech to text.

I have a one on one with the student in low stress and no pressure conversation to assess and talk expectation and explain that I am on their side but I also need to be able to do my job. If they are really not going to be able to get themselves to work then we make a temporary truce and get through the year. Then when they retake the class the next year, I use them as a class leader who knows the ropes of my class and set them up to have a much better time around and they always have much more motivation the second time around. Fighting them all year long doesn’t serve any good purpose.

What grade is she in? Is she distracted? Can you bring her up at your MTSS mtg? It sounds like her skills might be lagging. Do you think there could be a receptive language problem, does she seem to understand what you’re saying to her you or is she in default mode (refuse to participate, etc). She could also have profound anxiety or depression. Does she have a slow cognitive temp (sluggish, slow to respond, slow moving, poor memory and concentration, etc). It sounds like an evaluation might be needed (you have the data). Good luck getting to the bottom of this.

I would call a parent and tell them how she’s doing, which, with a zero at this point, you should have already done. I would frame the phone call this way: I would ask what I can do to break through the student’s resistance to help. Also, talk to last year’s teacher to see if this is how she was last year, and how they handled it.

Definitely time for a conference meeting with parents or guardian. Approach with what can we do as a team to help your child. Definitely something else is going on that you don’t know about.

I agree with my fellow teachers that there’s something more than just not wanting to do work happening with your student. My own child has oppositional defiance disorder and if you push him, he will only get more stubborn, angry and defiant. I’ve had to learn to work around that with him and his teachers have wisely learned to build a relationship with him. He loves his teachers therefore when they ask him to do work, he does it. He also has anxiety and gets frustrated very easily so they work around that too. I hope all goes well for you, your co-teacher and student!

I think the cyber bullying idea has merit. And, you wouldn't see it. Also having a parent tell you everything is fine on the home front is like asking the wolf for an update on how the sheep are doing! I think maybe the conference that needs to happen is one with teacher and student (maybe admin as well). Give her the chance to speak in safe environment without her classmates or parents. As for getting students to speak up in class, I have found the Kagan strategy of talking chips works better than sticks or spinners. This allows students to pick their speaking time...less threatening. My shy students used their chips at first just to say something/anything to me. As they grew in confidence, they began to spend their chip on academic questions and answers. I am sorry you are experiencing this problem but I can tell you really care about this student or it would not have this impact on you. Keep fight for her. We are all here to lean on and hopefully give useful advice 👍

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