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I’m almost always on the “start looking for a new job” team, but I would say this: you got a lemon by the sounds of it. I’ve been in the exact same situation. But, it’s not like they are asking you to work nights and weekends or mistreating you - they just suck. So, I would suggest that you actually stay for a year, then start looking. Here’s why:
1) You’ll learn what to watch out for next time around. If you leave too early, you won’t get to know the people and recognize the signs. And it’ll be likely you’ll end up making the same mistake down the line.
2) Perfect opportunity to work with difficult or incompetent people. Say “hey I noticed you said I have to learn your working style, I agree. I want to be clear on your expectations for this project. Do you want regular updates? Or do you just want to see the final result? Meet their expectations. Use your own methods to organize yourself, but meet them where they are at their work style. You might find that you have opportunities to educate them on what you do and improve processes and the team OR you might that nothing changes and it’s horrible. It’ll still be some great lessons to learn on collaboration.
Good luck!
Oof that’s a great point. Can’t believe I missed it. Paper trails are soooo important!!
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They need an education in what you do and how to do it efficiently and effectively. If the job is worth it and you think you can educate them and want to take the time to do so, that’s a strategy. You’ve already taken a crack at that…But it sounds like it won’t be easy to do.
In this market, with your skill set, there’s no real reason to stay.
(Continuing the story from the post) I made a project plan of the current video project I am working on and showed it to my manager - design lead, and our boss - head of marketing during my performance meeting after working there for 6 weeks. (FYI, I scheduled that meeting because no one was checking on me how I was doing since I started working there) They did not show any appreciation of it but told me that they can tell I am a structured and organized person but needing to adapt to their style of work, which is pretty much no plan and go with the flow. I was shocked. They don't understand the fact that the series videos I am working on require project planning in order to produce them on time. (There are about 40 of 30-sec videos) Should I start looking for a new job?
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Hi! Yes these are red flags 🚩 and I know because I have been and currently am on a team who gives me the same feedback. These are the folks that don’t want to fill out a creative brief, don’t want to track data or analytics, and don’t want to talk creative optimization because to be frank if the data shows their decisions to be poor they lose their job faster. They want you to be a pixel pusher and do as instructed regardless of your ideas or knowledge around what is best practice is to make them “look impressive” without actually providing evidence of achieving a goal. Period. So if you have designer integrity like I do, this will turn you off. Unfortunately, this is a common issue in marketing / comms teams no matter where you go, especially those that don’t have a CMO or CD on the team to set the stage for how things should be done. You have to have some level of business acumen to have those conversations to set expectations with anyone VP or above. Basically they like it when you say, in order to achieve x, I need y and z. Or say “I can do what you’re asking, but I would highly recommend this alternative because of x,y,z.” As a designer you will always have to balance between this delicate line.
Been there, worked for a company exactly like that, get out while you can. Even if you build a breadth of work you’ll build bad habits and your mental health will suffer due to their inability to mentor and lead you.
Oof. Been there. Do the best you can but as soon as the place starts to feel toxic move on and do not feel bad about it. I tell most of my mentees, in the grand scheme of things it's a very small blip on a long career ahead of you.
Also, my manager, design lead, has no motion design experience. I don't get very constructive feedback from him. It feels there is a limitation on growth and learning.
Try to focus on the work and learning - you’ll get a ton of opportunity even if it’s a clusterfuck. Look for something else on the side. Not every job has to be a long term relationship but that doesn’t mean there aren’t benefits.
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If growth is important to you, then there’s not much you can do to change the system there. There’s no shame in coming to the conclusion that it’s the wrong team, role, etc. early on with the company. It takes time to find a new role, so the earlier you start looking the better.
Short answer, yes.
Many time I work in a similar production environment for marketing content in early stage startups. Often they are “throwing spaghetti” at the wall and barely tracking their key metrics.
It’s up to me normally to grab the reigns of as many processes as possible, grind down the gears, put the tools back in their place just to achieve 50% of the effectiveness of the work product.
In some ways I’ll never want to trade the learning opp, but there is so much more I could have accomplished with a company that values processes, Kanbans, and benchmarks.
On the flip side, literally made my last startup millions but they couldn’t even track it properly.