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“There’s too many emails” what a lame excuse. It’s not the number of emails you get, it’s the ones you RESPOND to that you have an obligation to finish. once a recruiter accepts a two way communication and respond to your email, people expect closure. Yes, everyone’s busy, everyone has 500 emails in their inbox, everyone works till midnight and weekends. There’s no excuse, If I could get fired for not responding to some of my emails, then ghosting should be a fireable offense. It takes two seconds to say “no.” Just like everyone else in advertising, they should be held accountable for the duties of their job. I can most certainly imagine working at a place like Wieden or Droga, you get a lot of emails. It comes with the job. But you know what else comes with the job? Finishing what you started. Great read though, thanks for sharing.

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Great read, thank you so much!! Didn't connect with Kelly Parrotto's (Droga) answers much - felt defensive and "sounded" frustrated. I'm former account and that analogy across disciplines was great - it's exactly like account to me and being caught between the client and the team and being sensitive to both sides. And lots of herding cats 😂 Tough gig on all sides, no doubt.

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At least from my experience: LA—Ashley Jahn, Kathy McGoff, Meaghan Diamond (Chiat), Nina Nielsen (Deutsch); NY—Kelly Parrotto, Cindy Augustine (FCB), Carla Gigante, Sasha Martens, Barbara Tejada; SF—Joanna Serna (Argonaut), Traci Urquhart (Heat). Kara Taylor (FBI) covers nationally.

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PS: Mark you interviewed me awhile back and it didn’t work out. But you didn’t ghost me. Actually, you told me nearly right away. So kudos 👍🏼

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Oh, I completely agree it’s absolutely unacceptable to attack someone’s character by calling them a whore or something just because they failed to do their job. Being ghosted is frustrating for sure, but certainly doesn’t warrant comments like that. So you make a strong point here

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So ghosting is now acceptable??? I’m sorry but their answers annoy and irritate me.

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I wouldn’t say it’s acceptable at all. And I don’t think any of these recruiters think it’s acceptable. Despite best efforts to manage the barrage of communication, unfortunately emails get missed and we (candidates) get ghosted. Sucks, I know. I’m being ghosted as we speak by an agency/recruiter (not one I interviewed)—-they flew me out, day-plus of interviews, and the only time I’ve gotten any “update” in MONTHS is the one time I emailed him/her & and even that was pulling teeth—and it’s unacceptable and amateur hour. But FWIW, these I spoke to legit try not to ghost and, from my experience, haven’t to me or anyone I know. And their answers are trying to shed light on why it might happen, the realities of their worlds, etc.. And let’s also not forget when we think we’re PERFECT for a gig and the reality is, we’re not, and they can’t respond to everyone like that...even if there’s been initial mutual contact. The viable candidates rise and the others drop off. The latter deserving an update, for sure, but clearly sometimes it’s hard. Will never be a perfect arrangement, but we’re all each other has.

Thanks, TAD1. Hear you on Kelly—her answers were sometimes shorter than others (and certainly shorter than my yammering before/after), which probably made them sound like just that, “short”—but FWIW from my experience few work harder than she does, she’s incredibly funny & self-aware, incredibly besieged (not an excuse, just reality), pretty no-nonsense in a good way...and like Lauren, Kara and Barbara, it took MAJOR guts for her to offer both advice/helpful tips AND tough love and do so by name vs. anonymous (nothing against the anon’s, totally respect their choice) knowing she’d take some heat because, we’ll, THE INTERNET! Because via participating in these interviews. they all truly wanted to shed some light on their worlds, and help us all help THEM help US more consistently and effectively...if that makes sense??

It makes sense and you don't need to defend her (to me), no worries. I haven't said anything offensive or inappropriate. I'm sharing my opinion and yes, it takes both guts to put your name out there but also to expect feedback by doing so. She's 100% free to say what she wants to say and how she wants to say it. I'm a no BS person as well and pride myself on it, too. It greatly helps me connect with others which is why I had success in account and enjoy recruiting now. So I'm just being direct myself. The article was great and shows different perspectives - think you again!!

Oh, was by no means saying YOU said anything shitty or vitriolic, sorry if that’s how I stupidly made it sound. You were indeed just being direct & honest, so thanks.

This is excellent! One question - this was primarily about recruiting for creatives w/ the advice to keep ones book current & good. Any recos on how strategists can keep their case studies fresh or whether that’s important given that it’s less likely we can point to our contribution since it’s usually a collaboration, under NDA (if branding) or might be a great strategy that wasn’t used, etc.?

Good question, yes this was admittedly creative-centric...there have been other recruiters who’ve reached out since yesterday to add their two cents, I can try a follow-up piece sometime and ask them this question.

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Nice work Mark. Great read. Interested in how you view the following: If you’ve had to rearrange your schedule to do interviews (often times several in person with multiple staff members) and you do not receive some kind of follow up email whether good or bad news, the recruiter is an asshole. Also, if a recruiter leverages LinkedIn to post job opportunities, casting a wide net - while I wouldn’t necessarily classify a non-response ghosting, it’s still kind of asshole-ish.

First scenario, yes I’d be pissed and frustrated, I’ve been through this very thing several times and it makes me want to throw a TV through a window. But “asshole” isn’t the simple blanket answer, I don’t think. Inexperienced. Utterly buried and overwhelmed. Focused on the candidates that he/she thinks will make THEM (recruiter) look smartest/best to their agency client, etc.. lots of variables, unfortunately. Truly decent human beings can ghost; total assholes can be responsive. No real “rules” it seems, which is too bad. But I wanted to show that there ARE recruiters who are aware of ghosting and want to help fix it. As for a mass job opp posting on LinkedIn, IMO that just multiplies the “spammy” and utterly unqualified applicants exponentially, so it’s sort of recruiters’ own fault...but yes it makes those of us who AREN’T fn lunatics and ARE (likely) qualified for the job become that much more buried in the shit-heap of spammers. Spammers being, people who are in no way/shape/form right for, say, a CD position, yet throw their hats into the ring. Hey everyone needs jobs, I get it, but I’m not applying for a listing for Chief of Surgery at Mass General Hospital. And from what I’ve learned, recruiters do get emails/notes/responses from hundreds of people who are as qualified for an ad gig as I am to remove someone’s gall bladder. But again, yes I agree—that’s the double-edged sword of a LinkedIn cattle call.

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On the flip side I would love to know the recruiters I SHOULD work with in cities like LA, SF, NY

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