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Honest discussion: If you’re not vaccinated against COVID-19 by now, why not? What would make you change your mind, if anything?

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I’m worried about the period issues some women are having and I have read some research that the spike protiens are congregating in women’s ovaries. I just want to wait until a little more research has come out and the women who are having period issues it turns out it was just a temporary side effect. I already have irregular enough periods and can’t deal with more. I am for vaccines, I just personally am waiting till a little more research in terms of women and the side effects some women are having are studied. Now I know lots of women who have no problems but this isn’t something I want to have lifelong problems with. If it’s just temporary I’ll get the shot.

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I’m a woman who had period issues for two months and now I’m back to normal. It was a temporary side effect.

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Initially I didn't get the vaccine because I got covid pre-vaccine, supplies were limited, and I didn't want to take a vaccine from someone who needed it while I had covid antibodies and needed it less. Shortly before covid vaccines became available for everyone, I developed a medical condition that could be deemed "medium-term" and my doctor advised against getting the vaccine until it had resolved. My doctor also ordered bloodwork that demonstrated that I still had the antibodies. That condition has since resolved, but I have an upcoming medical exam (a mammogram) and I have been specifically advised by the radiology department to wait until after the appointment to be vaccinated. And before people respond with "You can still get vaccinated before a mammogram, you just have to wait 4-6 weeks after your second dose,"...I KNOW. I am just not in a position to put off the mammogram that long. My doctor is aware of the situation, and this is the course of treatment that is best for me. I would prefer that the vaccine have full approval. I'm still going to get the vaccine after my mammo, even if it is still in EUA status. For the record, I understand the EUA process. I've done actual research, including reading peer-reviewed studies, reviewing the credentials of those researchers, etc. I am very excited about the future of mRNA science. It's just my risk-averse nature to prefer that something has gone through the full process. But again, I am STILL planning on getting the vaccine after my mammo, EUA or full approval. Also, I STILL have antibodies, and my doctor has informed me that I'm no more likely to spread covid than someone who is vaccinated, plus, in an abundance of caution, and because people annoy me, I'm still limiting my interactions with people. Finally, I'd like to add that I am really tired of the bashing of people on BOTH sides of the covid vaccine debate. Attacks very rarely change minds and generally just cause people to dig their heels in.

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It sounds like you’re working with your doctors and have specific health reasons not to have had it to date, and plan to when your doctors clear you, and you have a recent antibody test. That’s a very reasonable approach, and I’m sorry if others on the pro-vax side have been dismissive of it.

That said, the “both sides” comment implies a moral equivalency between the two decisions that, from a public health perspective, doesn’t exist. While attacks may not change minds, being nice clearly hasn’t worked. The vax side isn’t actively, physically harming others and filling up ICUs, requiring doctors and health care workers (and others with non-Covid emergencies) to undergo mostly preventable trauma.

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Oh good, I was worried we wouldn’t have a fight about covid today.

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I’m not a sheep

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For those that didn't follow the saga, A6 was being satirical.

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Do vaxxed people know that they don't have to be assholes to unvaxxed people

Sincerely, vaccinated but respect the hell out of the skeptics (their body their choice, right guys? 😉)

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Except it’s not just their body their choice.

I got vaxxed but looks like the case totals and fatalities are at about the same level in the US as last summer so I guess joke’s on me🤡

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Who knows? But at the same time - seems like things are settling down though - majority of the population vaccinated AND over 120 million with natural immunity.

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Very simple calculation.

As a healthy person in my 20s who already had covid, the virus presents basically 0% risk to me. In contrast, it is impossible to know what the long term effects of the vaccine is at this point.

So, marginal benefit vs unknown harm = dont get the shot.

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The facts still show it's extremely rare that kids catch it and that they experience severe or even mild symptoms. Again, the studies you cite show this.

I'm not getting the vax because I like attention. I live a boring, tedious and alienated existence, so if I publicly make a life choice that recklessly puts others at risk, based on junk science and flawed logic, people will try and debate me and explain to me why I am endangering others. That kind of engagement, even when negative, at least gets me to feel something.

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I'm a 61-year-old veteran who endured the pox in March 2020. I have antibodies (tested 8/2020). I am not sick, and through my travels around the country, I have not gotten sick. Can I infect someone else? Sure, but saying the vaccine prevents transmission is Biden bullsh*t just like his election in 2020.

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TL1 I first need to apologize for my long posts. I have made exactly 0 political posts in my life - but today is apparently my day. COVID policy, and vaccines, have been politicized, I agree. They should not have been, because they are nonpartisan issues. Public health is not a choice between one side of an aisle or the other. It is the very floor of the debate room. Without the floor, neither side of the aisle has a place to stand and speak. People with mental health disorders (sociopathy, narcissism, schizophrenia et al) may genuinely need help making pro-social choices. My heart hurts for them because they’re often their own worst enemies. Vaccine refusal for protected reasons (political, religious) to the extent that really exists, is a choice. The phenomena happening recently though is that Trump emboldened certain people to make their views clear in ways that has not been socially acceptable for decades. These are not “Republicans” as I understand the term. I don’t recognize the party anymore. Trump is only the most recent figurehead, this group is a familiar combination of class resentment and racial antagonism, amplified now by communication platforms favoring the group’s confirmation bias. This connected angry, economically insecure white middle and working class people. Psychologically, the longer even a mentally healthy person stays in such a group and rationalizes anti-social behavior, the harder it is to reel back their preceding commitment without losing dignity and group identity. Loyalty to the these groups results from escalations in personal commitment: Trump refused to release his taxes, fired James Comey, called his sex worker friend “horse face”, drunk Tweeted covfefe … the list goes on but the group always developed a supportive rationale to remain loyal to Trump and preserve the group. They are terrified by their perception of losing control over “their country” to POC and immigrants. This has happened before, in Germany, about 1920, as one example. With vaccines I just think group members have been manipulated into the “political choice” to refuse vaccinations out of a blindly morbid sense of loyalty that is meaningless for Trump at this point. Trump politicized all COVID measures in ways he hoped would support his campaign but that were inconsistent and contradictory from a public health standpoint. FDA make vaccines faster so I am not voted out/ but get back to work the economy is fine/ and I don’t need a mask because? freedom?/but oops now I have COVID. He is really just a narcissist and the priority was always and only his election not public health. His followers might actually have distrust for state government guidance he disagreed with, and federal government guidelines controlled by the opposition party. But I’m making that possible argument for them, I’ve seen nothing articulated that way. It all seems like petulance. It’s irrational to choose illness and possible death over “giving in” to public health measures because their candidate didn’t win. But people in a groups like this will make irrational choices out of “loyalty” if they can avoid asking themselves tough questions like, “How did I get involved with this? Am I stupid? Is using my kid’s mouth as an ashtray really part of God’s plan? Do all children belong in cages, or just the Mexican ones? Is every Jew really the enemy of my race and nation? Why am I in a Guyanese jungle considering drinking poison Kool-Aide?” For the moment it’s easier and cognitively consistent for followers of Trump to just stay in the group and blame, “Liberal media, Democrats, blah blah blah!” instead of engaging in critical thinking and self reflection about why they have the beliefs they do and are willing to follow so blindly, and die or kill others on that racist, hateful hill. Those who choose to refuse vaccinations should be held responsible when they infect and kill others like any other criminal. But I want to restate that too public health and vaccines never should have been a prop in Trump’s political sideshow in the first place.

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I am vaccinated, but how many pharmaceutical companies have been sued years later for the damage their drugs have done? I can see why people are not trusting of the push for them. We are attorneys, not doctors, but "experts" disagree on a lot of things. I also have often wondered: if Donald Trump had been pushing to make everyone get vaccinated as hard as this administration, how many people on the other side would say they aren't getting vaccinated because of politics?

I am mostly sick of the arrogant assholes (some on this thread) that automatically assume that anyone that doesn't want to get vaccinated is obviously a TRUMPER or at the very least a Republican. You do realize that minorities are the most likely to avoid getting vaccinated, don't you?!?

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Lol if you think the government did anything other than create a market. Don’t toot your party horn over something neither major American party can be credited for creating.

I like to live on the edge

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There are not enough vaccines available to meet global demand, and I will (statistically) not die from it.

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Damn, you got me there. Thanks

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I’m pregnant, and I had COVID earlier in the year (before I got pregnant). There is a minuscule chance that I’ll get COVID again and I’m not comfortable with the research that’s been done for getting the vaccine while pregnant. My doctors are fully on board as well. If I hadn’t had COVID already I probably would’ve gotten the vaccine immediately though.

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There are 4 neonatal patients in our local hospital’s nicu unit with Covid as we speak. All 4 were infected by their unvaxxed moms. These tiny infants are fighting for their lives. I can’t even imagine how the moms are feeling right now.

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Because I already contracted COVID and research shows that my antibodies are just as good if not better than those people who got the vaccine. Maybe in the future when they refine the vaccine and I can get it in one or two instead of 3+ shots., I would get it.

That being said - My life is becoming seemingly impossible to live without having to show a vaccination card (along with ID). So just to be able to have any meaningful professional life, I will be forced to get it.

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And there it is… so much conflicting evidence. Hard to know.

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You are leaving out those of us who lived thru covid. We now have natural immunity against covid and our bodies will also recognize variants, just like humans have survived for millennium. Whether I will get the vaccine as a booster months from now remains. Sadly this man made crises is terrible. I hope mother nature is strong enough to win the fight. And that's the only fight we need to join in to win, not against ourselves. We are all in the same boat. Why not row together?

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Do you trust your doctor and did they tell u that?

Three reasons. 1. It’s not yet FDA. 2. Also waiting for more research. 3. I’ve always been the type of person to avoid traditional medicine, and go for at-home remedies.

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You must do your due diligence and research every thing you put into your body to make sure the FDA approval process is up to speed. I'd applaud you for making the time to do that, but I'm busy trying to find where there are available ICU beds in case my kids who can't yet get the vax catch something from another amateur health sleuth

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Respect is important, but that doesn’t mean I’m not passionate about my position and passionate about what I feel is the right thing to do for the greater good of this country and that in my opinion means getting vaccinated.

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Availability - non-US here though (albeit fairly rich country)

How many of anti vaxxers (including those who wanna get pregnant) are not getting a vaccine because their doctors told them not to get it? People think they’re so damn smart. I bet you think it’s great when non-lawyers tell you how to practice law. My husband’s a doctor who works in pharma doing vaccine development and I just follow his guidance.

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