Honest question, why can't the libertarian party gain any steam in the US? It seems to have the best of both parties (socially liberal, fiscally conservative)

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THANK YOU. I say this all the time...

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Bc being socially liberal and fiscally conservative is unrealistic. Socially liberal implies things like free or subsidized healthcare, lower college tuition, etc...but to accomplish that you can't be fiscally conservative, you'd need to levy taxes.

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Socially liberal means pro choice, pro gay marriage etc. you listed fiscal subjects not social

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P1- not necessarily. When I say I'm socially liberal I am referring to being pro choice and pro LGBT marriage/rights neither of which impact the budget.

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@pwc1 untrue. Socially inclusive means allowing gay marriage and people to smoke weed as long as it doesn't mean it impact me or my finances. Also for healthcare purposes, I don't want to get into it bc we make something simple so complex, but our federal spending is out of control and could be managed better for less.

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If you look into the two party system. They try really hard to not let other options in for various reasons. Most the the political system is made this way for lobbying reasons ect. Last time we had a 3rd party present was Abraham Lincoln which was the birth of the Republican Party. I expect we will see a similar thing happen in our lifetime.

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K2 agree, it means the government does less and lets citizens do as they please (as long as it doesn't harm anyone) not that the government pays for everything

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But isn't universal healthcare a public health/social issue too? And marriage equality allows more of the population to take marriage benefits (tax breaks) which means lower govt revenue

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Truthfully? Because that party has a lot of extremists. There was an all out mutiny when the party nominated two former Rep governors and Bill Weld shilling for Hill pushed even more away. Libertarians aren't exactly centrists, there are a lot of anarchists (and other categories) in the party. This year, Lib party didn't gain much traction because funding was still a big issue

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We don't trust other people to do the right thing. Historically self-government/limited government don't seem to work so well in terms of child-labor, worker and environmental rights. In pretty much every country and era that do not have regulations and enforcement in place, labor rights and the environment have suffered. Times may have changed but greed and human natures tendency for selfishness at the expense of others hasn't.

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What is Aleppo?

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Just explaining why it doesn't gain popularity. Libertarians pick and choose their social issues. Being pro choice is great, but a big part of the problem is accessibility to abortion clinics/reproductive healthcare, which involves govt help.

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It a true and honest libertarian society, most of the social choices listed wouldn't have that big of an impact fiscally. For example, gay marriage: the implication that there will be more tax breaks bc there are now more married couples =lower tax revenue. In a true libertarian society, government wouldn't be in the business of marriage to begin with. There is no need to regulate a choice between two free consenting adults. The tax code shouldn't have breaks for any reasons (again, in a theoretical world. I understand why we have them in the real world, even with the additional complexity they create)

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@mc1 sure, but when we watch Johnson/Weld mangle the simple principles of libertarian ideology and priorities, libertarians rightfully assume that power corrupts even 'good' politicians, and we want nothing to do with it. My remark that all govt sucks was 1/2 joking because libertarians are skeptical of any government, even mostly-honest, mostly-limited government.

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To answer OP, because Gary Johnson ran the world's shittiest campaign. Incidentally, he still got a record popular vote. Dems and GOP systematically exclude Libertarians from debates, federal funding, etc to maintain the two party system

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@pwc1 yes but they are for lower govt't revenue and spending. Also Gary Johnson was looking to rehaul the tax system anyway which could mean there were no tax incentives to get married.

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@PwC agreed! It's a bit of oxymoronic. You can be socially liberal but fiscally conservative, but being socially conservative and fiscally liberal does not make sense.

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A lot of you are missing the point of libertarianism, just google the nonaggression principle

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You could also argue that abortion is an issue with fiscal implications, since when it is less accessible, low-income women are less likely to access it (high-income women will always find a way, even if it means travel/inconvenience, etc), resulting in more low-income babies -> higher burden on the state.

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@MC 1 yes it does make sense and there's an entire section on the Nolan chart dedicated to it

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