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Hope everyone had a good start of the week! I have a quick question regarding MBB referal. I’ve been working for almost a year at a life sciences consulting firm with a PhD in STEM. Recently I've been considering to move to MBB due to project types, team dynamics, client interaction, etc. I've talked to friends in McKinsey and bcg (former case partners), they are very willing to refer me but they are relative new. And they recommend me to network with partners to get better chance.

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Networking means very little. If you’re in the cooling off period then your not going to get that over ridden. Apply as an experienced hire and get your former case partners to refer you . The referral does not carry more weight from a partner than from anyone else. The questions around if your have addressed the feedback and coaching are very valid especially if you got dinged on PEI. Do you have stories to demonstrate leadership etc from your current experience?

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Really appreciate sharing your thoughts! I guess I will double check with recruiter to make sure I'm not in freezing period anymore (it's been 16 months). Also thanks for the comments abt PEI. I think there were certain challenging situations where I demonstrated my teamwork/leadership skills in my current role. I will make sure to practice with some friends to polish the stories.

You don’t ask for a referral. You’re offered one. You’d have to demonstrate that you’re worth them sticking their reputation on the line for

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Thanks for sharing the insight!

dont let the fact that the partner didnt give you a referral mess your mind. I have never met a single person at the firm who got a referral from a partner (no offense but they rarely do that unless they personally know you). I’m sure you will do fine without it. Good luck!

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Now I'm thinking it kinda all makes sense! There are not much chance for small talks during the interview after intro then it goes straightly to PEI stories. It's really nice of you sharing your own experience! It certainly lightened up my mind!

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So far I've reached out to 10 partners in the practices I am interested with very tailored email after reading through 2-6 articles for each. But only got 2 responses willing to chat. Just had my first 30min chat with a McKinsey managing partner from the office I'm interested. I think it went okay. He asked lots of questions such as my background, which McKinsey offices I applied before /current interested (I applied to McK and bcg during PhD), whether I know my freezing period (suggest me reaching out the previous recruiter), what was the feedback from before, etc. At the end, He said "your background sounds pretty good, the question is whether you've improved since then and show the recruiter that you have. I can't be your interviewer since we chatted but I can give u some PEI tips."

But he never mentioned referral or "lmk when you apply" sort of thing. I guess I wonder when people network, what are the signals showing they are willing to refer without explicitly saying so. Do people just ask "would it be possible to give me a referal?" I'm always overthinking things and feel awkward to ask directly. Would really appreciate people's thoughts on how to get a referal and whether it's that important to get a referal from partners.

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