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How are Asians ok with being discriminated against in both higher education and hiring? I am a URM and I know that if I was put into a position like them I wouldn’t be so quiet about it.

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East Asian here. I was rejected from several Ivies and went to a top public. I’m totally okay with that. We have to look at the bigger picture outside of school admissions. Asians still benefit as being the the “white” people of POC. We are used as model minority and are given certain privileges in society after college that our black and brown peers don’t receive. I’m okay not getting into Harvard because I know life will still be easier for me. I was still able to obtain decent jobs and are over 200k/year even though I didn’t get into the top ivy. Point is, I was still able to successfully get to the top, income wise, without a spot in a top ivy. I’m willing to give that up to allow someone else who would benefit a lot more from Harvard. Considering where different ethnic groups are socioeconomically, Black and brown URM need these platforms more than others to get ahead to make up for systemic racism in our society.

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Reminds me of a tech implementation my team did for Nike.
Everyone on team got limited edition shoes after go-live🍻

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One point that often goes unnoticed:

A large portion of the African American admits to top schools aren’t “Black” (the descendants of American slaves), but rather second generation Africans from countries like Nigeria, whose families are generally wealthier.

It’s hard to imagine that the son of two engineers/doctors, living in a wealthy surburban community, has faced more institutional racism than the son of two Vietnamese boat refugees. But this is the result when schools lazily pay lip service to “diversity.”

Affirmative action should be based on economics, not skin color. Using race as shorthand for the supposed disadvantage and hardships that an applicant has faced is intellectually dishonest, and yes, racist.

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Right on. I’ve seen more Blacks actually from Africa than African Americans in my start class. Those from Africa are usually from very wealthy families and the firm gets its “quota” done while the real problems are unaddressed

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Personal belief - Most of the Asians are raised with a belief to trust in the SYSTEM. (Good marks in school >> Engineer/doctor >> Regular income career >> Happy life)

If that kid does not gets selected, he will blame himself for not being capable enough. Good luck expecting him to fight against the system.

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I can relate to this-I always internalize and blame myself when there’s a problem. Such a toxic thing to do but feels like its engraved in my gene or something. Working on being more vocal though but its hard

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Because nobody in America cares about Asian people. Mainly because Asian people weren't slaves in America. This is coming from an Asian person btw. Hard working Asian person overcomes odds is not as great a story as black kid with no father makes it to the NFL or NBA

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Boss. What??

Prior to Bain I worked at an Asian American lobbying group on this issue. We tried really hard, but we could only accomplish things in California and NYC. The population is too small and people are scared that they are causing trouble.

Internally no one is ok.

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Some yes. Some others are afraid of hate crimes if certain legislations go through.

The next gen is a funny topic actually. There’s a bunch of younger second gens who went to top tier schools and are super “woke”, for the lack of a better word. They are against a lot of the things we lobbied for. I’m gonna let my bias come through here since I had a horrible time with them, but I think they are ungrateful little shits who can’t appreciate different perspectives

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They aren’t okay with it. Just not a big enough segment of the population to do anything about it.

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(Asian here) I think it’s not necessarily that we’re ok with it so much as we accept it (and not always, see the lawsuits against elite colleges for discrimination). No one’s going to fight for Asians to go from good /great colleges and firms to elite ones. It’s simply not really on anyone’s radar. Totally agree it’s legacy (and elite athletes) that have the real advantage which sucks for the loads of academically qualified kids. Personally, most Asians I saw that complained about AA were from middle-upper class families with two parents who had every opportunity to succeed in school hate on minorities who “don’t deserve it” despite having wildly different backgrounds. It’s not the suburban Asian kids in Plano who didn’t do anything in school except study that are suffering. They’ll do great at UT, A&M, etc. It’s the poor immigrant families and often SE Asian community that gets lumped into this bucket who get the short end of the stick.

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Asian here - I think people will never be on the same page as us. We are not considered a POC here and fall under the ‘white’ boat. It will always be tougher for us to get into academics or jobs when the race card is asked.

I wish everything was socioeconomic instead of race but that’ll never be the case

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Would I ever tell another Asian to just suck it up? No. But as an Asian person, am I ok getting into a top 20 school instead of an Ivy? Yes. It wouldn’t have “changed my life”, the way it did and does for some black/brown students.
AA kids aren’t taking Asian spots, white kids are.
Still kind of a champagne problem though.

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Let's talk about legacy admissions 🤔🤔🤔

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@P1 - it’s an interesting thought....that donations would drop significantly without the legacy admissions, and that donations are large enough component of the current endowment that the drop in donations would lead to a cut in financial aid / scholarship. At most Ivy League schools, endowments are $10B+ and the annual investment returns large enough to cover annual operating cost fully most years without charging tuition.

Personally, I think there’s a large enough endowment at top schools to try it out and course correct as necessary. But I lean towards removing legacy favoritism / nepotism and the likes from every parts of society.

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Because the only reason I know whites ever make a stink about it is because they want to use us as a bludgeon against other minorities because of their own insecurities. They don’t give a shit about us or actively are attacking us over things like coronavirus. AA isn’t a bad thing to correct historical iniquities. Whites only think to advocate for us when it advances their own ends.

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Also: give Japanese Americans reparations for interment. Communities never recovered from the shock of wholesale abduction

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For context, elite schools are known to reject Asians at a higher rate with the same credentials. Hiring is a similar scenario.

I also think for some reason Asians hate us for taking their spots but in reality it’s the legacy spots we all should be fighting against. Thoughts?

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A3 when you say 22% are Asians at Harvard that includes international as well and given the Asian population in the world is the largest is the reason why it’s 22%. The systems penalizes qualified American students for being Asian regardless of their socioeconomic or background which is not fair to others. If Googles CEO is an Indian doesn’t mean every Indian is just as smart as him and they shouldn’t be penalized for not having an IQ of 170 when the bar for URMs is extremely low compared to that

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First generation Asian parents have been increasingly fighting against this. But young second generations side with Democrats on everything and defend things like Affirmative Action. Most Asians are in deep Blue states so no politician really cares

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Agree. I don’t understand this dynamic. America allows those born here to forget what we ran away from.

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🙁 I could say so much but we just don’t have a voice in America. Work twice as hard and achieve twice as much to be given a chance, keep your head down bc if you get in trouble with the law, no one is going to be there to defend you bc everyone is already suspicious of you. I had a coworker the other day brand East Asians as evil...If you are lucky you get a good job at Apple or Google where there are more people like you but still little opportunity for leadership bc your habits and culture are different, this not a good fit...No one cares if you aren’t black or Hispanic, unless it’s to yell at you for the China virus. America is better than a third world country bc at least you get a nicer house and running water, but it’s far from the American dream of all men are created equal. most of this population is suppressed and silenced, but that’s not as bad as being bred in captivity like slaves tho

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Culturally as a first gen immigrant, I felt like I was raised to not rock the boat and was taught not to challenge authority (aka mom). Hard work is enough to bring you success, and if you don’t succeed, you just haven’t worked hard enough. And as BAH1 said, I agree that people just don’t care about Asians. That said, I think times are changing and the next generation is becoming more vocal but it’ll take time, effort, and support to change.

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I second D2. As an Asian URM, it sucks that we have to work twice as hard but Asians are a very small part of the population. It’s a very unique situation as you don’t get the white privilege so you’re still being discriminated against , nor the benefits of being a URM

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You're so right! Let me do all in my power ...to write an angry tweet.

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Also because if you talk about it, you’re branded “racist”

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Because test scores aren’t the only criteria used in determining what a well rounded future leader is. Especially for standardized tests which can be gamed by wealthy families providing tutors and trainings to do specifically well on a test. You’re asking college admissions to play dumb and believe that a standardized test accurately captures a future leader’s potential

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Yeah I get where you’re coming from - but the recent Yale study showed that Asians were rejected at a way higher rate with the same credentials (not just test scores).

I’ve always thought it was just test scores and wasn’t too bothered by it. But now it’s actually a pure race play - which seems very off and discriminatory.

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Those in power are on the other side, so creating a fair system would reduce the prestige of being an asian with elite credentials to the same status as simply having elite credentials. Not in interest of asian leadership to water down their brand

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Lol you.... can’t be serious. Are you actually Asian? This seems a comment post out of the hyper-competitive cut throat asian stereotype.

For the record I want to see more black kids at good schools, I am one and it doesn’t water down my brand.

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We don't need to worry about this. We are global majority and you can't avoid us. We are playing by numbers.

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