How are your engineering teams estimating user stories? I want to validate how my company is currently doing them. Let’s say when one user story is broken down into front end task of 3 sp and a back end task of 5 sp, then the estimate they provide for the story is 5 sp. Is that the correct methodology?

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PM2–It’s a part of product to learn how to project manage well. Being a Product Manager is about ownership over a product or product line from inception to launch so at the end of the day it’s your role to get the product over the finish line on time as much as it is to conceive and derisk an idea—which may or may not include enabling engineering velocity through a good pointing and planning framework

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Storypointing pieces of a story partially kills the point of story pointing in the first place. Stories gets story pointed as a whole by the dev team.

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If you're micromanaging the assignment of different pieces of a story, you're no longer a product manager, you're a project manager, and you're certainly not a scrum product owner.

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Correct. Don’t overthink it. Always round up^^!

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Why not separate the stories if the functionality can be broken down into front end and back end? INVEST methodology for user story creation.

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That’s how you’re supposed to do it OP. That’s what a vertical slice of functionality refers to. Please don’t split stories by layer. That violates the I for independent in INVEST

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Hmmm we break down the story into front end and back end stories and point them separately. Doing it this way also makes it easier to assign

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We do this too and it works well.

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This feels like the wrong methodology to point front-end and back-end work separately. But it may be correct.. depending on the age of the product (growth or decline cycle…) and the maturity of the team (forming or storming).

A more complete answer…

The human brain has two systems for decision making; rational and emotional. We need both systems to make good decisions.

One of the most fascinating medical cases was a man who had a brain tumor removed. He lost the ability to feel any emotion. Sociopaths / psychopaths do have the ability to feel emotions, they just lack empathy.

This man’s life was destroyed. He lost the ability to make decisions and this appeared to be linked to his lack of emotions.

Emotional decision making - inside of a rational framework generates the best answers… typically.

Emotional decision happens when someone points twenty-one but they cannot tell you why. This triggers a team conversation as they try to articulate their concerns about risk, scale, performance, etc.

When your pointing process get too rational, then your pointing may fail to generate a discussion. And this means you have unknown risks which may sabotage your sprint plan or program increment plan. 

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