How badly do you have to screw up at a big 4 as a manager to be fired? I've heard of pips at staff/senior level. Would you get put on one at a manager level first or just get fired?

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Depends, if you commit a big HR or expense violation you can be fired on the spot.

At manager performance takes longer. Politically someone/group made the decision to hire or promote that person so they’re also invested in that persons role not being a mistake.

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You have to screw up a little bit and piss off someone higher up to get a pip and then eventually get fired.

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Worked with a manager years ago who ended up finding a new job in industry. Found out after the fact they were on a pip and close to being let go which added up based on my experience as a more junior staff. Our engagement seemed to be the ‘prove yourself’ opportunity and I venture to say it wasn’t going well at all. On the bright side the partner liked me and had lots of stretch opportunities so guess it worked out for me, selfishly.

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They’d Pip you, and then fire you

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Usually low ratings lead to getting let go, but getting rolled off a project and sitting on the bench will also get you fired in pretty short order during times like this

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Whats a pip?

Performance Improvement Plan

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Firm isn’t getting the bang for their buck that they are with your peers (you are expensive relative to contribution)

Pips almost never work, so firms only do them if the person is great but having an off year or they uncharacteristically screwed something up

In my experience PIPs are a CYA before someone is let go

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