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How can I deal with this situation where a new subordinate keeps calling BS on company values. He makes a very valid point in some cases but it’s a constant battle where he complains a lot. It gotten to a point where HR think he’s always being negative about things. I don’t think start up life is a good fit for him culturally. What can I do?

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After reading the comments it sounds like he’s being direct about problems you acknowledge exist but also has opinions contrary to the company values.

You’ll be hard pressed to find someone who ascribes to all of your values and you’re a startup, you may need to change the values to fit the growth you hopefully experience.

Coming off as negative is not good for anyone though so try to work on that with them. They’ll probably need some coaching and it won’t happen overnight.

I definitely fall into negative feedback loops and I really need help getting out sometimes. It really helps for someone to at least acknowledge there are problems instead of sticking their head in the sand by referring to “company values”.

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Have a communication explicitly with him about it

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Give an example of the value he's ignoring. He just seems like a pain in the ass tbh.

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It's possible he's calling BS because your values are genuinely BS and everyone else is just drinking the koolaid!

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If he’s actually smart and useful, he’d actively fix the problem instead of complaining like a petulant child.

Opinions are like assholes: you’ve got both on your team. I’d honestly consider formally disciplining this person if they ever pulled this behavior again.

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Thank you

Maybe put him on fixing a problem or two that he is complaining about. Solves two of your problems at once, assuming that there is a corporate problem in a start up! When I was a manager in lab or law, complainers got to take lead to address what they were complaining about. Seemed to work. Maybe start with cleaning the microwave in break area?

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That’s really helpful F1. I’m not sure how he’ll respond but I’ll give that a try. Thanks

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Get on a 1-1 with him and call it out. Tell him to STOP.

Recap in email with one, stern sentence.

This is all it takes. If they continue, do it one more time and make it an official warning in email.

Plan to have him out on the 3rd strike.

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Thanks AD1. I have a 1-1 scheduled for tomorrow. He’s still on a probation period but hopefully there’s a positive way forward

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Are the “valid points” worth fixing together, over the issue of a “new employee” addressing the problems? I would believe as a startup that would be the perfect time to improve company culture before thinking about expanding. Especially if you agree.

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From employer perspective this person needs to go. There is absolutely no long term value in their work for the team and the company. I believe that people don’t change (with some rare exceptions) and I wouldn’t count on improvement. Just being realistic.

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Partially agree. I used to behave like a people pleaser in victim mode. It's taken a lot to get that self destructive side subdued, but now I'm in a place where my contributions are appreciated. I wouldn't call it a full on personality change but definitely something along the lines of growing the hell up.

Pay him a bonus to leave . Not a right fit . Period

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I believe there are two kinds of employees; the ones that BRING the culture and the ones who decide they will be AFFECTED by the culture.

This is a start-up. You don't have much cushion when it comes to protecting your culture.

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If his still in probation period advise it’s not working out and part ways.

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People who complain usually complain because they're the type who complains, not because of a mismatch with the company. If he goes to a different type of company he'll find other things to complain about.

You're not going to be able to make him less cynical or get on board values he doesn't share, so I think you should have conversations with him about the effects of his communication style instead.

Point out specific things he says, or the way he says them, that come across bad, and focus on the negative effect (him making people feel bad). Offer (or better, try to have him suggest) alternative phrasings or styles to say the same things in a more positive way, e.g. instead of saying "Move fast is stupid BS we need to build stable infra", phrase it as "While moving fast is a core value, we also need to keep in mind that without stable infra we'll be forced to slow down or even completely stop more in the future".

If he cares about people, or at least about keeping his job, he'll make an honest effort.

If he doesn't care about his job or people around him to even try, then I'd consider gently nudging him to find a more suitable job or even psychological/psychiatric care. This could be clinical depression, ADHD, or some other treatable condition.

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