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How difficult is it to be counseled out at Big 4 firms? Is it common or do you really have to mess up? Are any of the firms more cutthroat than the others?

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We have first year associates that are more respected internally & by the client than Seniors with 5-6 years experience so I’d say pretty difficult to get canned

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Pretty sure I’ve been counseled out of a few places now. (Sorry, Dad!) That said, the “fail upward” approach hasn’t been too shabby from a career satisfaction and compensation perspective. 😉

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Every project is different, I’ve been on a project where I had a similar experience as A1. Ive been on other projects where the manager is super anal about everything and makes the project a nightmare.

So difficult to get fired especially now that pretty much every consulting firm is short on staff

Since they've hired you and you're there most will try to find a role that's a good fit. Getting managed out is a long process. I've had to manage out two people and it took many months to collect the documentation, build the story, get supporting evidence, have people go on record, exhaust all viable alternatives, etc. It sucks all around and is frequently the absolute last option. So I guess what I'm saying is that the answer to your question is: pretty darn hard, absent gross misconduct.

People get counseled out of bIg FoUr?

A layoff is a term you are looking for. It happens every year. If you have low utilization, you will get the boot regardless of your superstar status.

Piggybacking on this: if you get laid off for low util, is that visible on your employment record (for future employers to see)? Or just the dates you worked at the company

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