How do you avoid project management from creeping out of Atlassian Jira, and into crazy excels? My organization has a bad culture of creating random excels, to track work for Jira features, and like you can imagine, managing work becomes maddening.

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You take all the old people who can’t change and you move them elsewhere

No idea I struggle with this everyday, my company can’t get past 2002 if it tried from a tracking perspective. The only thing you can do is sit them down and agree to a reporting process so if someone falls off the track at least you can reference back to that conversation/agreement

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lol you put them all in a room and train them how to use a different tool - the attachment to spreadsheets is REAL and it sucks

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Have leadership communicate goals and milestones then document within Jira. From there build your roadmap gantt and epics around those initiative items, so they get used to seeing that stuff within Jira. Or switch to something like Asana. Doing any sort of roadmap in Excel is a colossal waste of time and no serious tech leadership should allow that. If the roadmap is too complex, then it’s not really a roadmap but a todo list. Your leadership probably isn’t actually communicating strategies and letting teams determine how to best execute against them based on their intimate knowledge of the customer and their product

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OP, I just (last year) escaped from a leadership structure who felt the need to micromanage this way, and it was a beautiful breath of fresh air.

The same leader at the top of that group however just came into my new (successful) group to take a leadership role and I'm already setting up conversations that they cannot expect the same waste of time again if they want to be part of the success. There's a level of trust and letting go that is required in the art of Product Management that classical leadership (eg leadership by metrics) just doesn't get.

I don't have the path forward figured out, but am going to do my darndest to protect from this creep.

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This sounds like a pain point that Atlassian PMs should he solving for.

As a gripe, Atlassian PMs have little respect from me. Any time you submit feedback it goes into their Jira black hole where it will forever languish in "gathering interest" and you'll be told to explore a poorly implemented, paid plugin to do something close but not exactly to what you and others ask for.

Issues from 20 years ago are still open with 2000 votes. To me it's a constant reminder of what not to do as a PM interacting with customer needs.

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