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How do you litigators do it? I’m a transactional attorney caught in the middle of a client’s litigation issues and this sucks. Parties are so headstrong, confrontational but at the same time won’t even speak to each other. Do you always expect to get paid? Some of these litigators’ bills seem extreme for no actual trial occurring. I’ve never been so pleased with my chosen path.

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I don’t really understand why anyone would pay for one of my 12 page discovery deficiency letters, but they do, they all do...

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It’s a mystery to me too.

I’m in public interest litigation, and people are civil for the most part in all communications. The parties spare no punches in the filings though. That’s where horns are supposed to come out. A place for controlled fury. 😇

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The nastiness of litigation is driven partly by where the lawyers practice and partly by the lawyers themselves. I practice in a relatively genteel western market where lawyers mostly get along well even in fractious cases. One of my best friends in law is in the LA office of a NYC firm. We met when we opposed each of their in a 2 month jury trial of a bet the company case in which our clients HATED each other. We got along great, and after the verdict we started swapping referrals. In another instance I was hired by a prominent law firm to rep reel sent it in a high profile matter only 6 months after I smoked one of their partners for a $40M judgment in a fraud case, in which our respective clients would literally murder one another given the chance. Good lawyers focus on substance and issues that matter and rarely send poser letters or tangle over stupid stuff. When I encounter a wannabe tough guy I just do my thing, avoid rising to the bait, and let him shoot holes in the bottom of his own boat with his antics. Some markets are well know for tough guy practitioners. Chicago is full of them and NYC has an oversupply of paper tigers, as does Houston. Re the bills, litigation is a King’s sport. It can easily cost $6M+ to get a complex case through a two week jury trial and the cost can be two or three times that in cases involving a lot of electronic discovery and pretrial shenanigans. It doesn’t have to be that way either but a lot of litigators are deathly afraid to try cases so they spend their entire lives battling pretrial motions and discovery disputes. It’s a living I guess but many firms WAY overdo that stuff at a terrible cost to their clients. I honestly don’t understand why clients put up with the way a lot of biglaw litigators ply their trade.

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I embrace talking with my litigation colleagues. Honestly, so many transactional attorneys never actually read how judges interpret the language they write so I always stay pretty close with litigations my clients are engaging in as it helps me to be a better drafter whether that is to make something absolutely clear (no question) or intentionally vague (gotta give them something to work with).

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I used to litigate. My clients' problems kept me up at night to the point I was barely sleeping. Now I'm happily a transactional attorney

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If you don’t mind me asking, how was the transition? I’m looking to switch to transactional in the next year or so, if possible

Tort reform!

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The bills are high, but the stakes usually are as well. I’m a patent litigator and no ones taking a case to trial without double digit millions in damages, and pharmaceutical cases are triple digit millions in sales. For example, in one case, ONE machine can cost a half million dollars and only 400 were sold in the US every year. A brand company can make millions a day without generic competition... so the legal fees are worth it for even one extra day of exclusivity. As for the people? Depends on the attorneys... good judges can see through it. I usually find the lower the value of the case, the more likely the attorney has a chip on their shoulder and are awful in discovery.

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Just get out of the way. It’s a different world view. As long as client is on board let it happen.

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