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How does one complain about a Manager or Senior Manager when you know for sure that you've been thrown under the bus? I want to avoid HR implications or worse - retaliation.

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You don't.

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Is this a first time offense or does the manager have a track record of throwing you under the bus? I ask because I know that I have on occasion inadvertently thrown people under the bus. Never on purpose. And I have always appreciated when someone called me on it, as I never have an intention of doing so. But people make mistakes. So if it's an unusual behavior for your manager, why don't you try and talk to them? And just let them know that it didn't feel like a good team behavior? If this is common for the manager, get the hell outta there. You can't fix them.

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Yeah it sucks but unless you had a great reputation before this (track record of excellent ratings), no one is going to take your word over your manager's. Your best bet is to find someone to work for who isn't an ass.

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Most firms evaluations require the person being evaluated accept the evaluation. There's usually a way to bring up that you disagree with the evaluation during this period. Note here you need to have direct examples of what you're disputing. Focus on facts "it says I did X and that's not true". Overall it's very difficult to fight. Might be better to just suck it up and try and learn what these managers want and how to play the game with them. It sucks, but it's the easiest path forward.

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The firms got rid of upward feedback for a reason. You may find a few higher ups that actually care, but the firms sure as hell aren't interested in having any upward feedback. They don't want anything on the record of managers and senior managers being dicks or incompetent for liability purposes. All of the firms used to have formal upward feedback and all of them have since gotten rid of it. Don't think that's a coincidence and don't buy their BS about how there weren't enough people participating or whatever BS reason they try to sell for taking the formal upward feedback away.

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Fuck.

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We've all been there. You can't complain about a superior. They are there and if no one noticed their poor character or their flaws, they're going to stick around for a while. Find another team. Try to brush it off. Yes it's hard, but move on. This industry is a broken system. You can't fix it

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^ I'd like to talk but I hope you can agree that the system is simply not geared for effective upward feedback, unfortunately.

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You cannot avoid retaliation. Stop here. Don't let it escalate.

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I just wonder how on earth we can provide a good client service when, at levels, everyone has face s*** like incompetent managers. I am in the same boat; my manager ignores my emails and then accuses me of not doing the work. So unprofessional.

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You need to ask for a new client/team

@ KPMG 1: but that doesn't solve anything. More so because there will be an evaluation for that past project.

Do you have an ethics hotline? We do, and if you have an issue you can call anonymously and they would advise as far as next steps.

I don't recall ever being given the chance to "accept" the evaluation. Basically you can write a self-evaluation and talk to your counselor about it.

I think it's safest to appear congenial and accepting of the criticism to get a softer performance review. And speak with your coach emphasizing how serious you are about your career, how willing you are to learn and do better. Make your opposing points on your self review, focusing more on what you did do well. Of course if it's a lie that makes you appear dishonest you kill need to rethink. Find yourself a good recruiter and set up some backup options. The market is pumping busy right now! Good luck!

If you fall off that horse you gotta get back on it or else it's going to run. You need to keep working with that manager and embrace them. Ask them to go to coffee, ask them for help.

Sound, contextual advice. Thanks everyone!

^^ I can't agree with that as I have spent my entire career giving upward feedback. Does it always work? No. Does it often work? Yes. And I can guarantee it always makes me feel better.

The reality is that I've never seen any upward feedback enacted upon. So why should my case be any different? I guess I'll suck it up.

Yea we still have it here at Deloitte. I take it seriously. And the firm does too - can't get promoted to Partner without good scores. Tho there are ways to game the system.

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